mmuller

Its not internet bs, its people blaming and bashing without knowing the whole story. Hate to argue, but i would hate this to turn into blame the tuner thread when in all honestly i did nothing wrong and the best i could, normal changes that anyone would of done.. nothing out of the ordinary here. is it a finished product? no because of obvious reasons.

I really like to tune cars like they drive on the street, im sure taking the air filter, psbelt/ac belt/ whateva would of made more power.
taking the exhaust out at the time was not feasible since time frame was really an issue. besides it was the same setup he used on the 1st engine(1st graph)

I mean the reason whereas the car is making low power because of ignition problems/management system/intake manifold whatever ; was beyond the scope of doing it right there.

i hope we can all get along .. haha

back on track;
as i told terrance the car was reading less than atmospheric pressure at full throttle, something in the air ingestion part of the engine is restricting
The main problem is the engine is not having the power increase it should from rebuilding it and adding the parts listed. everything else is the same it was before.



Modified by mmuller at 1:37 PM 11/29/2007

CONTROLLED CONFUSION

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate internet BS like this because you wind up either talking past each other or the personal attacks.

This is my final comment.

When you 1st noticed the timing not changing the hp then you should have stopped tuning and start accessing whats wrong to your credit you did.

Based on the data I see, the motor is choked.
Everybody I know who tunes will unhook the exhaust to check especially if the motor is producing less than expected hp. This is a pain in the a** sometimes, but it will help you to diagnose.

Oh yeah, I take back my comment about s**t tune. That was not neccessary.



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but forget the whole unhook the exhaust idea unless funds are being transpired

ce

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ITR's are 10.8:1 if I am not mistaken.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah in the US. But I was talking about the Euro/JDM ones (since I live in Europe) which are at 11:1 . Sorry about the confusion (why the hell isn't it the same all over the world..its a mess sometimes with Honda LOL)

mac_24_seven

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Whoa. Things sure got messy in this thread No arguing, plz. Max can only work with what he has and I obviously still have some problems with my car. In retrospect, I think I was expecting too much with the ghetto exhaust I have.


I want to say that the car feels much better than it did before. I've played with it a lil bit (actually launched near perfect last night!) with only me in the car and there's a significant improvement and while I'm not happy with the torque readings, the driveability has improved and I'm happy I know what my car is doin now.

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as i told terrance the car was reading less than atmospheric pressure at full throttle, something in the air ingestion part of the engine is restricting
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This is actually what I'm worried about now. When I get the time, I'm going to pull my IM and make sure the Hodnata IM gasket hasn't squished (for lack of a better term) and is partially blocking part of the runner.

Other than that, I have no clue what my problem could be

S0 how about that? What could be causing me to have a restriction? My K&N filter is only a few months old, I have a short ram AEM, Blox IM.
What?

daver

I re-read your initial post and i guess i'm not certain exactly what the mods were for each dyno. If you clarified it some where later, i apologize for missing it.

However, some quick research shows that bone stock gsr dynojet dyno peak torque in the 110 - 115lbs range generally, and 140 some hp. These cars usually had some good milage on them too, i found. So your initial dyno (disregarding the strange spike giving 116lbs) was rather low average, and you weren't stock, just stock muffler and cat stock? and you had a fresh rebuild?

The next line makes really good hp considering how crazy low the torque peak is. So that made me think the dyno read low, but if you still have the stock muffler on there, plus a high milage stock cat, there should be some good potential left. Providing there is nothing wrong with the car or tune job. Torque should be peaking at 120-130lbs.

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mac_24_seven

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The initial dyno was with just I/H/E..Otherwise stock. Only catch there is my headgasket wasn't that great :S I was dumb fort dynoing it. Thus why the numbers were low.

The other graph is after the ITr cams and whatnot and the fresh build.

mac_24_seven

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Well, just a lil update.. I pulled my throttle body and it's doing it's job fine: I was hoping it was opening too far, but it's not :S Which is good but I really wanted that to be my problem.


Next up is the removal of my intake manifold to make sure the gasket isn't covering the runners any.

.CUBISH.

stock gsr dyno tune
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2165084

near495

whats up dude i had decent #'s on my old hatch wit uberdata.. stock gsr bent valve flat *** dc header i/h/3"e fpr blox intakemanifold 178hp 132 or 129lbsft 9000rpm... ill try to find my dyno sheet and post it up so can see it...
thers got to be somthing wrong some were????

SuckMyDOHC

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It doesn't matter that your wheels only weigh 1 pound more than yout stock wheels, its still larger in diameter. Either way, that shouldn't affect your #'s too much.

If you're worried about it being too loud, get a full 2.5" hytech twin loop exhaust with a high flow cat, and maybe later on a hytech/smsp/comptech race header

mac_24_seven

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Well, I've found a guy locally who wants to trade me a RSR header for my ITR header/skidplate/$50.00.


Would the 2" diameter hurt me too much, since I"m not gonna be making huge #'s even when everything is right?

98vtec

for comparison sake, i made 190whp and 13x ft lbs on the same dyno.

JDM h22a
Crower2
EuroR IM
RMF narrow
neptune

mar778c

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If you can go 2.5", you would be so much better off.