Rene M

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dandc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i don't think you understand the point a lot of other people are trying to make... sure the car is built off of a civic chassis and it is only and integra, but when you look and see all the numerous things honda engineers did to "track prep" this street car, it is quite deserving of respect

to say its "essentially" a GSR is a HUGE understatement</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep......
I have had both and a GSR is not even close.. Ours was track preped as well and the GSR just is not even close. If you think other wise i would love to hear why you feel they are the same.
This may help you. http://www.itrsport.com/

Todd00

BauleyCivic, why are you pressing this issue? If you have issues with someone, fine. Otherwise, I don't see why you want to have a dog in this fight.

RiCE On IcE 2

I went through teh same question when I got my R. I have an R now and have driven both.

The R is a lot more fun but you do have to deal with the occasional haters and the inevitible theft. The gear box in the RSX is slush IMO compared to the ITR box. You don't get the same feel when driving the RSX. The R gives you that point and go kinda steering and I dun get that feel from the RSX. Comfort wise the RSX will win hands down. However, if your looking for more of a fun to drive factor than you should grab the R. If you looking for some fun but more comfort than the RSX. If you can get past the stiffer ride and loud interior and other nuisences (sp?) then get the R.

Archidictus

Here are a handful of ITR's I pulled off of Autotrader real fast:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...t=446
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...t=446
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...t=293

Note the price tags.

Here are some Evo's

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...t=766
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...t=409
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/...t=384

So you can get a 2001 Acura Integra for $2000 less than a 2003 Lancer Evolution 8. Wow, that sounds like a difficult decision, but that wasn't the point in posting those. The point was that you don't know nearly as much about the going rate of these cars as you think you do and that your statement is incorrect.

Why would it? You say you'd take the ITR on a Honda site in front of other ITR owners and, if you were on a Mitsu site, you'd probably say the opposite. Speaking when you have nothing to lose proves nothing. Endearing yourself to the populace is easy, mmmkay?

Maybe your general ricer is starting to wise up as to the benefit/dollar ratio between both cars, eh? If people have difficulty discerning the benefits of owning one over the other, perhaps there isn't nearly as much of an overall difference as some of you have convinced yourselves exists. I don't understand why it makes everyone's vagina so raw when someone compares the ITR to a more prolific automobile. At the end of the day, it's still a front-drive Honda with comfy seats and no A/C.

Is this the conscience of the ITR forum speaking or is it an idiot noobie with no social skills? I have a difficult time differentiating the two.

Yes. He is definately the one who "are make ITR owners look bad." Keep digging.

Bigger brakes, tweaked engine output, cooler seats, a couple swaybars and some accessory deletions...so how is this any different than the R32 Volkswagon? Oh yeah...that car has A/C, AWD, torque, etc. You'll see me bow to the superior build quality and spirit of the Integra Type-R about the same time as you see me kiss the windshield of that glorified Golf.

It must suck being legally retarded, eh? The point Bauley et. al. is trying to make here isn't that the ITR is inferior to the RSX-S or even that the cars are in the same league. Bauley is arguing against the rampant elitism of most Type-R owners, not against the car. What does it take for you people to see that?

I mean, look at the names of the ITR owners on this page: the majority of them have the numeric VIN code of their precious Integras integrated into the handles like anyone on Earth gives two ***** where their cars fell in the production series. Please. If you drove an Enzo, that would be okay, but you don't. You drive an Acura Integra with factory upgraded suspension and engine guts. Is it a good road racer? Absolutely. Is it faster than many similarly priced cars? Sure. Is it worth respecting over a base model Civic? On the occasions where it's performing its intended function, yes; otherwise, no. If you're not road racing or autocrossing your Type-R, it's just another shitbox A-to-B machine with no A/C. Period.

The people that take pics of your car are those too ignorant to realize that the red "R" badge on the side is just another in a long list of Honda trim levels. When a Shelby Cobra driver hops out of his sled at a stoplight and asks for your autograph, I'll assent to the fact that maybe your vehicle is more special than a turbocharged LS or NXed Type-S. Until then, to me and most of the rest of the automotive world, the Integra Type-R is a teenage cry for attention and respect in an arena that finds such behavior juvenile at best.

ITR640

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

<U>Overpriced:</U>
$25,000 MSRP for essentially a GSR integra without A/C, leather, or a sunroof. Sure, none of this **** means anything to us, but to the general public it does.

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Seriously go do some research on the Integra Type R. Its more then just physical items that are removed or added to a "Civic". Its about the history of Honda racing. They got the "R" from the first Honda Formula 1 car to win a race. The Honda F1 <U>R</U>A271.

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[<U>Overweight:</U>
2000 Honda Civic LX Sedan: 2401 lbs
2000 Integra Type R: 2640 lbs </TD></TR></TABLE>

hmmmm thats a tough decision which one would I rather drive?...hmmmm. Which one is faster from the factory? I think i saw about 30 Civics today, but I only saw 1 ITR and that one was mine. So lets see I dont care if my car weighs 200 more lbs. The RSX-S is very close to the ITR to still heavier but omg no one really cares.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Quote, originally posted by 01ITR640 »

Other models have been built off the Civic platform, including the Ballade, the CR-X coupé, the Quint and the Integra.

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I never said that. But i dont really care.

BauleyCivic

Wrong, as seen in this thread earlier and various other threads it's the Type R owners themselves who hype the cars up.

That the Integra is no more than a ******* civic with a bunch of go-fast goodies. Its in no way a supercar, or THAT much better than any other integra.

Yep, you figured me out.

I didn't put down the ITR. Find one sentence where I did.

I'm sorry I chose a college education over a m4dd tyt3 Integra...

Because bbasso made an arrogant statement, one that has been cliched many times over and i'm tired of it.

Wow! The first real response in this thread!

WOW! Racing heritage goes into every Honda built. Every ******* Honda automobile brochure has a picture of one of their IRL engines, or the BAR F1 car. What makes the ITR so special?

All I was doing was proving the point that it was overweight...and I did. So you lose.

RiCE On IcE 2

oh to add to my post. I've driven an STI too. it's definately fast and fun.. but honestly you still don't get the raw sterring and handling feel you get from the R. I'd prolly still get the STI but the R even though not fast, give you a much rawer feel when driving.

danny98r

iTrader: (2)

please dont try to defend him. u have alot time to write. go do some more research. ur so smart

Archidictus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by danny98r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">please dont try to defend him. u have alot time to write. go do some more research. ur so smart </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just because my name isn't "Archidictus'sICYHOT3022ITR!" doesn't mean I didn't have one. Bauley doesn't need my help in making anyone look stupid: I just can't stand the attitude of most of the people in this thread.

ITR640

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

All I was doing was proving the point that it was overweight...and I did. So you lose.</TD></TR></TABLE>


No I dont lose, Im not the one who spent there whole day in the ITR forum on Honda-Tech arguing about something that takes ITR ownership/ ever-driven-an-ITR expierence to have a valid point ..... now go back to watching your fast and furious DVD collectors edition with extra scenes of naws bottles, because in the ITR forum we have respect for cars.

GTFO

ITR0952

What's up with all these Civic Ricers flaming at R owners today? Maybe they got bored at the civic forum.

Seriously, why are u comparing R to enzo... looks like your brain is full of sand.

yellow blur

Archidictus, anyone can go and like you said find a bunch of overpriced ITR's against some lower priced ITR's. Also if you haven't noticed, ITR's don't depreciate as quickly as other hondas. If someone is dumb enough to buy the first ITR them come across, whether it be super expensive or super cheap, then by all means go ahead. Car pricing is all skewed on Autotrader anyway.

Also, if you haven't noticed, I was trying to point out the fact, it's owners like ITR0952 who "are make" ITR owners look bad. Being an arrogant *******, as to say ...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">R is not just a Car.. R is a Car with an Attitude... I think most of you saying bad things about Type R, cause you can't afford one...well too bad, it just wasn't meant to be for you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

... does not fly in my book.

Archidictus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yellow blur &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Archidictus, anyone can go and like you said find a bunch of overpriced ITR's against some lower priced ITR's. Also if you haven't noticed, ITR's don't depreciate as quickly as other hondas. If someone is dumb enough to buy the first ITR them come across, whether it be super expensive or super cheap, then by all means go ahead. Car pricing is all skewed on Autotrader anyway.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was proving a single point with available data.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, if you haven't noticed, I was trying to point out the fact, it's owners like ITR0952 who "are make" ITR owners look bad. Being an arrogant *******... does not fly in my book. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Glad to see you're better than that .

danny98r

iTrader: (2)

wow archi dick us. the blue bomber watch out he does his research. u should gtfo out too. stop causing anymore controversy. ur very smart like i said but i had enough of u. go read some more books.

Bbasso

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


Because bbasso made an arrogant statement, one that has been cliched many times over and I'm tired of it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

OMG!!!!

Your one messed up individual...
Drop it already

So what I type or anyone else types on an Internet, If things like this bother you this much maybe you should take up and anger management course at your local community center?

danny98r

iTrader: (2)

sounds like u should go back to ur roman empire with marcus arelius watever his name is

The Toecutter

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RiCE On IcE 2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh to add to my post. I've driven an STI too. it's definately fast and fun.. but honestly you still don't get the raw sterring and handling feel you get from the R. I'd prolly still get the STI but the R even though not fast, give you a much rawer feel when driving.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's ricers like this that makes me embarrassed for driving a Honda. I'm not talking ITR owners only here. For every asshat ITR owner there is, there are 10 civic/integra owners just like him.

It's amazing how this thread has progressed (or digressed) after my simple comment on how someone made a judgment that appeared to come off as being negative and pointless. My original point was the comment and never the car.

To all of the ITR owners: If you had heard very little of what an ITR is and drove it would you have bought it? Do you know what you like in a car? The handling, speed etc.? Maybe the original poster was in this category and wanted some honest opinions. Yes, he should have made a search and so on but he didn't. Flame him for that and nothing else.


IBTL

Have fun in whatever car you own.

dandc2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I was proving a single point with available data.

Glad to see you're better than that .</TD></TR></TABLE>

you are talking about a $2000 price difference between the 2 most expensive ITR's you could find and the cheapest evo's you could find.... how the hell is that a fair comparison of prices.... you didn't prove any points with that post <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Maybe your general ricer is starting to wise up as to the benefit/dollar ratio between both cars, eh? If people have difficulty discerning the benefits of owning one over the other, perhaps there isn't nearly as much of an overall difference as some of you have convinced yourselves exists. I don't understand why it makes everyone's vagina so raw when someone compares the ITR to a more prolific automobile. At the end of the day, it's still a front-drive Honda with comfy seats and no A/C.

in that post all I was trying to say is that the question starting this thread (rsx vs ITR) is posted on this forums ALL THE TIME... we are all sick of reading about it... if you can't do your own research and figure out which car you want on your own... then thats pretty sad

Bigger brakes, tweaked engine output, cooler seats, a couple swaybars and some accessory deletions...so how is this any different than the R32 Volkswagon? Oh yeah...that car has A/C, AWD, torque, etc. You'll see me bow to the superior build quality and spirit of the Integra Type-R about the same time as you see me kiss the windshield of that glorified Golf.

another ignorant poster... do some research, there are more changes then what you posted (www.itrsport.com) check the specs
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and what the hell got your panties all in a wad.... if you don't like what is being said in the forum.... GTFO


Modified by dandc2 at 11:01 PM 12/6/2004

JinDIESEL

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You own what you choose to and I own the car I choose.
Just drop this BS and call it a day.</TD></TR></TABLE>

there we go. that ends it.

boys and girls, to summarize this thread.

willing to sacrifice luxury for performance = type R
willing to sacrifice performance for luxury = type S

again, quoting opie.. <FONT SIZE="2">GTFO!</FONT>

Haleiwa-Brando

I am surprised at how far this initial topic went. I am also very amazed at the pure lack of misunderstanding and miscommunication that has transpired in this thread. How unfortunate is it that due to the constraints of the internet, when reading some ones post; we cannot visually see facial expression or body language or hear the tone of voice from that person. So because of this, things are blown out of context all the time. Though if you've retained any decent amount of intelligence over the years of pot smoking and drinking, you'd be able to understand what is being said. Oh and if you have a bit of common sense; that will help too.

I have to say that I don't feel Bbasso was being ******* ******* or whatever negative statement you want to call him. I feel he was being passionate about something he takes seriously and something that is very real to him, which is the ownership of his car. Because of that 'car' he has traveled many places, meeting many people who share the same passion. Even if they don't agree on other issues. They will always agree that 'hey, I love my car. It ******* rocks. It makes me feel good. I own something that is sought after and is becoming harder to find every day.'


Now granted, there are people out there who are arrogant and have egos when it comes to things, but simply stating that 'everyone' in a certain group is that way is not only asinine but is completely off base and a statement like that is detached from reality. The reality is, is that you just made a huge generalization in categorizing a very large group of people whom are made up of individuals. Now because of that generalized statement you just made, you essentially backed a lot of people into corners. We all feel we are individuals and generalizing a group of people with such a stupid and mindless comment isn't going to get you anywhere fast.

Also I'd like to add on this subject that for a lot of us, and I think it's even safe to say Bbasso; our cars are an extension of our personalities. We are men, we can relate to these cars or any car that a certain individual has chosen. People mod their cars to reflect a style of their personality which makes the bond between Man and Machine that much more intimate. So when you attack someone’s car that is passionate about it you have just directly made an attack on that particular individual. Now what is going to happen? That person is going to attack back.

Another point is that the make of the car in this argument I'm stating is irrelevant. You could fill in the blank with any car or any material object in the whole wide world for that matter. It doesn't matter.

Now for me, I own a Type R. So guess what I feel passionate about? You guessed it. So ******* what? You have your things in life you feel passionate about, right? For me it's surfing, snowboarding, friends and family and all things I love mechanical. Who the **** are you people to tell me any different? But now that some of you have made a generalization on a certain group, you have now categorized me and I'm going to tell you: I don't like it one bit.

I am passionate about my car because I DO own a piece of history. I do own a rarity. I'm the proud owner of 1997 Type R #122 and here’s the best part, I can't even drive it because it has a blown engine. I still love the car to death.

Ponder this question: How many 1997's are left? How many first year U.S. model Integra Type R's are left? One could speculate all day long and I'm going to guess that there is less than half. I have pride in this because I own one 'thing' of very few.

I think for those of you who are open minded and do not know the history of the 'R' badge, meaning the NSX, Integra, and the Civic should go download, borrow, buy, or steal yourself a copy of Best Motorings "Type R Legend". After watching this movie you will see why we are so passionate about these cars. They are not 'race inspired’, which is a huge misconception in the automotive industry. My $30.00 mountain bike is race inspired. Does that make it a race bike? The bottom line is, Honda took three platforms and started with just the chassis and made everything better, stronger, lighter etc. as they progressed in development. Stating an Integra Type R is just an Integra or a 'glorified' civic not only shows your ignorance in this notch of the automotive industry but also again, made another stupid generalization on a group of people, which turned into personal attacks.

Point is, you can argue all God damn day long the comparison of apples to oranges. The sad point that people seldom realize is that you can’t. If most of you people out there had it your way, you'd argue the point until one of you killed the other. And for what? A simple disagreement over something. The apple has it's benefits and draw backs, as does the orange. I've owned three 1995 Integra GS-R's and am now on my fourth Integra...the Type R. I cannot compare them. They are not the same car. They may look the same but they are not. Do you understand this? User BauleyCivic? You, mainly, have been running your mouth like a motorbike with what appears to be little to no experience for comparison. Tell me the comparison between your left hand and your right hand. They are both hands, they both have five fingers. However one is on the left and one is on the right which makes them different. Get out the magnafying glass then list the details of which you find. You will truely see how different they are.


Now granted, generally in the forum we use this to compare parts for the Type R which is a whole lot easier to compare due to the simplicity of it rather than comparing cars. It is very hard to compare two totally different cars even if they are from the same marque. There are just too many details to get into which is why no one wants to take the time to answer it and why there are people on here, who get sick of the constant repeatative questions. RSX-S to Type R, Type R to GS-R, Type R to SRT-4, Type R to STi, Type R to EVO....etc. etc. etc.

I'm sticking with my original post that this guy needs to be an adult, flex some brain muscles, search, test drive and come to his own ******* conclusions. Those of you who make stupid generalizations need to watch your tongues. If you don't become aware of your problem now, you may just some day, in fact, **** off the wrong person because you opened your mouth before you thought about what you were going to say. Think before you speak.

Aloha,
Brandon - who is sitting at a small coffee shop on the North Shore of Oahu enjoying all the bikini clad women walking around in the 85 degree sunshine.

The Toecutter

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Aloha,
Brandon - who is sitting at a small coffee shop on the North Shore of Oahu enjoying all the bikini clad women walking around in the 85 degree sunshine.
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Now THIS is something to be jealous of!!!
Hope you get your car fixed.

Bbasso

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Aloha,
Brandon - who is sitting at a small coffee shop on the North Shore of Oahu enjoying all the bikini clad women walking around in the 85 degree sunshine.
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I hate you!

Archidictus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by danny98r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow archi dick us. the blue bomber watch out he does his research. u should gtfo out too. stop causing anymore controversy. ur very smart like i said but i had enough of u. go read some more books.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hahaha.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by danny98r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like u should go back to ur roman empire with marcus arelius watever his name is </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dandc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you are talking about a $2000 price difference between the 2 most expensive ITR's you could find and the cheapest evo's you could find.... how the hell is that a fair comparison of prices.... you didn't prove any points with that post</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, I picked the few newest ITRs and the oldest Evo VIII's so I could get the closest price/year of manufacture comparison. Used is used, man: I'm sorry that some people charge more and some charge less, but that doesn't make the comparison any less pertinent. Some ITRs sell for $27k+ and some Evo VIII's sell for &lt;$27k. If that pushes your buttons the wrong way, I'm sorry.

So it goes.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and what the hell got your panties all in a wad.... if you don't like what is being said in the forum.... GTFO</TD></TR></TABLE>

Arrogance and negativity, mostly. I was invited here and so I came. I disliked what I read and so I posted. Oh, and you need to stop using the ellipsis so much because you're using it incorrectly.

yellow blur

This is where the post regarding moderation of the ITR forum comes in. Lock this thread, and lock the other elite ******* thread.

Haleiwa-Brando

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yellow blur &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is where the post regarding moderation of the ITR forum comes in. Lock this thread, and lock the other elite ******* thread. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I LOVE free speech. Do you?