Ok guys here is the thing. There is a NASA/ASRA event coming up here in Arizona and I am going to attend. I need new brake pads for the events seeing as as the moment I have stock pads up front and Axiss ultimate in the rear which have about 2mm left on them.

So the question I wanted to ask is which would suit me better for my first track event?
Which would provide the better braking power and remaing good through out the entire event?
I have tried to enter one of these events but always got kicked in the wallet before the event and could not attend. So I'm trying to have fun at this event with the right equipment.
Thanks for the help guys.

 

i'd step up to an even better pad than those. they are both good street/autox pads, but might not be able to handle your pig of a car (relative to what most people drive around here) considering the heat of AZ, even if it is your first event.

i'd look at some xp8s or 9s in the front and ultimates or bobcats in the rear.

 

xp8. 9's? Would these also be good for daily driving? I just wanted to start off with something for the car, but I might as well do it right I guess. What do you guys think about Cobalt Friction GT Sports up front?

 

i don't have any experience with cobalts. i was lazy after my last track event and have been running my xp9s on the street... they stop fine, just a little noisy.

 

yo foo

I know a few of the locals un on ultimates..........

**** son I use'd AEM last time and hardly got fade.....the EP3 that goes out runs vatozone performance pads.......no biggie...you won't be pushing your car that much....haha

 

The Axiss ultimate work good for track use and street uses. They can take the heat, however they do not provide the stopping power of an XP-9. If your a novice the Axiss ultimates would be a great pad and will last way longer than a true race pad, and so will your rotors with the Axiss.


Modified by 577HondaPrelude at 1:16 PM 9/8/2004

 

Carbotech Panther+. I've found that the Axxis Ultimates heat-cycle to death after about two events. Your first ten sessions will be fine (though you may get some fade in summer heat if you're even sort-of-fast) but after that they just fall off. Panther+ will get you there and back, though you probably won't want to leave them on all the time due to the noise.
-Adam

 

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My Ultimates hardly lasted one event at Summit on a ~2300lb hatch (w/ driver). I would not recommend them to anyone for track use unless you're going slowly (Novice). At my 2nd event I cooked the Ultimates in one session (luckily Larry had a set of XP9s on hand)... Maybe I suck (at braking), maybe I don't, but the Ultimates can't handle track use in the front of a 2500lb+ car for very long... Rears? Go for it.

 

They work fine on a miata.... j00 suck at braking.

 

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The Miata you're referring to is slow as ***** (no offense to the driver of it).

An RSX-S not only weighs about 500lbs more, but will be carrying higher speeds in to the brake zones. I am also assuming it still has dust shields and no ducting.

 

I was talking about j00, not the RSuX.

 

My VW weighs just under 3000 pounds with spare tire and backseat removed. It's a heavy lump. I have upgraded 12.3" front rotors (stock is 11.3"), good fluid, and steel lines. The feel and fade resistence of the Panther+ blows away the Axxis Ultimates. They even work better than Ultimates during autocross events when you don't get much time to really warm them up - a testament to their wide effective temperature range. Once they are hot, however, watch out as the braking power available under your right foot is quite amazing for a simple pad upgrade. I have also found that they release more smoothly than Ultimates do, which seems to make instances of ABS engagement much less unsettling.

As was said before, if you want a "novice" pad, get the Ultimates. If you want a compromise pad that is more like a track pad than it is a street pad, try the Panther+.

-Adam

 

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I know, but I carry higher speeds in to brake zones than said Miata as well. Drums in the rear (that I really don't think do ****) don't help much either.

 

how do hp + pads compare that what i use and they work well

 

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An RSX-S not only weighs about 500lbs more, but will be carrying higher speeds in to the brake zones. I am also assuming it still has dust shields and no ducting.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The duct sheilds are still in place. I have the stoptech SS lines, and ATE super blue fluid in place, so the only thing I was looking for was a good pad to start with. This is my very first event. I ran the GT-sports for about 4 months ( daily driven) before then died and they were great. I was just curious to see what pad would be good for a novice who may push his car a little hard on the track.

I have a SRI, DC race header, and catback exhaust for performance wise, and Tein Flex for suspension along with a few other goodies, so I'm just looking for a decent pad that will hold up to some abuse from a first timer.

Also where can I get these pads you recommend from? Thanks guys for all the information.

 

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http://www.carbotecheng.com/main.htm - you're better off calling them though, they love to talk tech and it sure beats the pain involved in navigating that website

 

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Those pads would be ok for your 1st few times out on the track also.

 

I've run Axxis Ultimates on the front of my 99 Civic Coupe with Azenis. Fortunatly for my brakes, my car is sloooow. The Ultimates held up fine (at Streets of Willow Springs) and are still on my car for daily street duties. I imagine at a higher speed track (or if I made more than 100 hp) I'd start running into problems.

Just be sure to bring a set of "get me home" pads to the track just in case.

 

My front brake pads are stock type S pads, so those will be my get me home pads so no worries on that end.

As for the rear I may do axxis ultimates. As for the front I am still stuck on either carbotechs, or Cobalt friction.

 

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As for the rear I may do axxis ultimates. As for the front I am still stuck on either carbotechs, or Cobalt friction.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd call and talk to the guys at Cobalt. They may tell you to run cobalts up front with stocks in back. The ultimates might be a bit too much for the rear, and you don't want too much rear braking.

 

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I'd call and talk to the guys at Cobalt. They may tell you to run cobalts up front with stocks in back. The ultimates might be a bit too much for the rear, and you don't want too much rear braking. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i ended up having to yank my cobalts off the rear and go to stock, jsut kept locking up
mando, either pad cobalt or carbotechs are gona be plenty for track, i jsut put some big boy carbotechs on last night and they feel great, jsut a little to much stopping power for street tires.
id do the gt sports agian

 

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As for the rear I may do axxis ultimates. As for the front I am still stuck on either carbotechs, or Cobalt friction.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i just ran my CF GT-S's at SOWS a month ago, and they were close to exploding towards the end of my 2nd run group. Granted, it was hot as hell out there (90+ degrees), i think for any sort of involved track experience they may be overmatched. I love the pads, but i think longer sessions may have their number.

still give andie/Cobalt a call and tell em what you're doing and he'll have some input. He knows more about what his products can and can't handle anyway.

another option are a set of Hawk's, not sure which compound though...

 

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i just ran my CF GT-S's at SOWS a month ago, and they were close to exploding towards the end of my 2nd run group. Granted, it was hot as hell out there (90+ degrees), i think for any sort of involved track experience they may be overmatched. I love the pads, but i think longer sessions may have their number.

still give andie/Cobalt a call and tell em what you're doing and he'll have some input. He knows more about what his products can and can't handle anyway.

another option are a set of Hawk's, not sure which compound though...</TD></TR></TABLE>
hes never been on a track before ever, hes a first time hpde-1er!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yeah I am a first timer. I need something that is going to hold up. I live in Arizona so it will more then likely be over 100 degrees so that is why I am asking. Hey dan or jeff if you can guys what would you recommend for the event? Front? Back?

I am clueless on this area.
Also I am being told I should bring an extra set of rotors just in case? Is this true?

 

Just get the Ultimates. You'll be fine. Part of the experience is learning to manage your equipment. If the brakes get hot, back off a little. No big deal.