Ghetto Fab Turbo H23
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Ghetto Fab H23
Hey all,
i know we've all read the posts about setting up a DSM turbo in an f22/h23 engine bay and id like to kill two birds with one stone in this post.
Just so you know, i have an h23, plans of running 5/6 pounds of boost.
1) Prove that it can be done and provide this as a jumpoff point for people like me who have S/Si ludes that want to play with the big boys and their H22's
and
2) Make sure i have the right parts in mind and do this without killing my motor (its my daily driver)
So, i have a friend from whom i will be buying parts. He's getting a new turbo and i'm helping him make some monthly payments by taking his old setup. I will be buying the following off his motor:
-injectors
-manifold
-turbo itself
-bov
-intercooler
Now, i need to buy:
-a new fuel pump
-a new FPR
-boost controller (or can i pull this from the old setup?)
- 'Missing Link'. I don't know what it does or where it goes so if somone could explain thatd be great. Can i pull this from the old motor setup?
-Custom fab downpipe is a must,
- of course an oil return line (s.s. line?)
How should i go about intercooler piping?
I've heard of people doing home depot set ups, is that BS or what?
Whew! Long post but i think it'll be useful. I know there are those of you who will say "if you need to ask these questions, youre not ready to do the install." But ya know, once i get the answers, i can read up on what i just learned and prepare myself better for the install.
If need be, this can be moved to the F.I. Forum..but my reason for putting it here is cause its more prelude based than putting it in a general f.i. section. Anyway, thanks for the read and responses. I really need some feedback on this project being that i plan to do it soon.
i know we've all read the posts about setting up a DSM turbo in an f22/h23 engine bay and id like to kill two birds with one stone in this post.
Just so you know, i have an h23, plans of running 5/6 pounds of boost.
1) Prove that it can be done and provide this as a jumpoff point for people like me who have S/Si ludes that want to play with the big boys and their H22's
and
2) Make sure i have the right parts in mind and do this without killing my motor (its my daily driver)
So, i have a friend from whom i will be buying parts. He's getting a new turbo and i'm helping him make some monthly payments by taking his old setup. I will be buying the following off his motor:
-injectors
-manifold
-turbo itself
-bov
-intercooler
Now, i need to buy:
-a new fuel pump
-a new FPR
-boost controller (or can i pull this from the old setup?)
- 'Missing Link'. I don't know what it does or where it goes so if somone could explain thatd be great. Can i pull this from the old motor setup?
-Custom fab downpipe is a must,
- of course an oil return line (s.s. line?)
How should i go about intercooler piping?
I've heard of people doing home depot set ups, is that BS or what?
Whew! Long post but i think it'll be useful. I know there are those of you who will say "if you need to ask these questions, youre not ready to do the install." But ya know, once i get the answers, i can read up on what i just learned and prepare myself better for the install.
If need be, this can be moved to the F.I. Forum..but my reason for putting it here is cause its more prelude based than putting it in a general f.i. section. Anyway, thanks for the read and responses. I really need some feedback on this project being that i plan to do it soon.
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From: Reading, Pa, USA
Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (NatakuBlitz)
i kno there is a mag out on making ur own turbo kits n ****...plus i think i found a website for making ur own tubo kit for hondas and acuras. once i get my aol back i can go into my favorites and pull it up for u and send the link. it tells u what other accessories u would need too. whats the compression for the h23'?
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (XSuperStreetGTX)
I'm in the process of building a homemade turbo myself. Here is what my list looks like:
Cutom Manifold
DSM Blue Top Injectors
BOV (Either Blitz or RFL)
T3/T4 Turbo
Tial 35mm Wastegate
FMIC
Intercooler Piping
Fuel Pump
MBC
Missing Link
Custom 3" Turboback with a N1 muffler
Oil Return and Feed Lines
Boost Gauge
EGT Gauge
and the biggest item engine mangement, AEM EMS/Hondata S200B- make sure you get it tuned right.
So the only big thing that I have is the Wastegate, which you might or might not need depending on your turbo. And an engine mangement system.
I'm planning on doing the IC piping myself by buying some piping off of some website (forgot the name, but it's the big one) and cutting and mounting it myself. Sure it will take longer and be harder but it will end up saving me some $$ which is the big thing.
I'm sure I'm missing some other stuff, so feel free to chime in.
And as for the compression ratio of the h23's I think it's 9.8:1, stock.
Cutom Manifold
DSM Blue Top Injectors
BOV (Either Blitz or RFL)
T3/T4 Turbo
Tial 35mm Wastegate
FMIC
Intercooler Piping
Fuel Pump
MBC
Missing Link
Custom 3" Turboback with a N1 muffler
Oil Return and Feed Lines
Boost Gauge
EGT Gauge
and the biggest item engine mangement, AEM EMS/Hondata S200B- make sure you get it tuned right.
So the only big thing that I have is the Wastegate, which you might or might not need depending on your turbo. And an engine mangement system.
I'm planning on doing the IC piping myself by buying some piping off of some website (forgot the name, but it's the big one) and cutting and mounting it myself. Sure it will take longer and be harder but it will end up saving me some $$ which is the big thing.
I'm sure I'm missing some other stuff, so feel free to chime in.
And as for the compression ratio of the h23's I think it's 9.8:1, stock.
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (Taikonaut)
I do believe the dsm turbo that i'm buying has an internal wastegate.
You're right, will also need Boost + EGT Gauges.
Can you explain to me how you're going to go about making your own tubing? I'm trying to find a turbo retailer that will let me buy their i/c piping and miscellaneous fittings set sans the turbo.
Perhaps this is what you're talkin about? Looks like that could be useful.
I'm guessing some aluminum custom bent (i'm only familiar with mandrel bending).
Modified by NatakuBlitz at 9:46 AM 5/17/2004
You're right, will also need Boost + EGT Gauges.
Can you explain to me how you're going to go about making your own tubing? I'm trying to find a turbo retailer that will let me buy their i/c piping and miscellaneous fittings set sans the turbo.
Perhaps this is what you're talkin about? Looks like that could be useful.
I'm guessing some aluminum custom bent (i'm only familiar with mandrel bending).
Modified by NatakuBlitz at 9:46 AM 5/17/2004
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (NatakuBlitz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NatakuBlitz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do believe the dsm turbo that i'm buying has an internal wastegate.
You're right, will also need Boost + EGT Gauges.
Can you explain to me how you're going to go about making your own tubing? I'm trying to find a turbo retailer that will let me buy their i/c piping and miscellaneous fittings set sans the turbo.
Perhaps this is what you're talkin about? Looks like that could be useful.
I'm guessing some aluminum custom bent (i'm only familiar with mandrel bending).
Modified by NatakuBlitz at 9:46 AM 5/17/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes the turbo comes with an internal waste gate, and thats also why your going to need the elbo that bolts to the turbo housing , it rejoins the main turbo exhaust stream with the wastegate bleed off exhaust stream and routes it downward to make an easy down pipe, hell maybe even try to get his stock down pipe it might make it even easyier. but i don't know what the stock boost on the eclipse is buy if you plan on only wanting to run 5 or 6 pounds you might have to moddify the wastegate to open sooner.
You're right, will also need Boost + EGT Gauges.
Can you explain to me how you're going to go about making your own tubing? I'm trying to find a turbo retailer that will let me buy their i/c piping and miscellaneous fittings set sans the turbo.
Perhaps this is what you're talkin about? Looks like that could be useful.
I'm guessing some aluminum custom bent (i'm only familiar with mandrel bending).
Modified by NatakuBlitz at 9:46 AM 5/17/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes the turbo comes with an internal waste gate, and thats also why your going to need the elbo that bolts to the turbo housing , it rejoins the main turbo exhaust stream with the wastegate bleed off exhaust stream and routes it downward to make an easy down pipe, hell maybe even try to get his stock down pipe it might make it even easyier. but i don't know what the stock boost on the eclipse is buy if you plan on only wanting to run 5 or 6 pounds you might have to moddify the wastegate to open sooner.
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (NatakuBlitz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NatakuBlitz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey all,
-- 'Missing Link'. I don't know what it does or where it goes so if somone could explain thatd be great. Can i pull this from the old motor setup?
.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the missing link is used so your map sensor will not read boost
it goes between your tb and map sensor
you can also use check valves from the fish store
if you're low on the flow
-- 'Missing Link'. I don't know what it does or where it goes so if somone could explain thatd be great. Can i pull this from the old motor setup?
.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the missing link is used so your map sensor will not read boost
it goes between your tb and map sensor
you can also use check valves from the fish store
if you're low on the flow
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (dr.bushpusher)
Great thanks guys. Now.. i know that those that run boost on an H22 motor commonly use the Hondata Heatshield i.m. gasket, do they have applications for the H23?
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (NatakuBlitz)
hey nataku you should take a look at the post i made in the other ghetto h23 thread..
im sure someone out there must make an intake mani gasket similiar to the honda for the h23, hell maybe hondata makes one but i don't know
im sure someone out there must make an intake mani gasket similiar to the honda for the h23, hell maybe hondata makes one but i don't know
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (NatakuBlitz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NatakuBlitz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great thanks guys. Now.. i know that those that run boost on an H22 motor commonly use the Hondata Heatshield i.m. gasket, do they have applications for the H23? </TD></TR></TABLE>
no they dont
no they dont
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (SUB-0 H23)
Well thats just depressing.. i finished scouring the Hondata website just a minute ago to confirm.. oh well.
So i'm lookin at this website and does anyone know the turbo code number..or housing number? I want to buy the correct feed/return lines so i wont starve the thing of oil.
Prelittlelude: I agree with your advice but as i'm trying to keep the pricetag as low as possible, i will be trying to find a used fpr, fuel pump and missing link. While i was on the hondata website i found that buying a hondata s200 with boost, or even s100 with boost would be around 500 dollars...and that's without tuning.
Should i be thinking about buying an AFC?
So i'm lookin at this website and does anyone know the turbo code number..or housing number? I want to buy the correct feed/return lines so i wont starve the thing of oil.
Prelittlelude: I agree with your advice but as i'm trying to keep the pricetag as low as possible, i will be trying to find a used fpr, fuel pump and missing link. While i was on the hondata website i found that buying a hondata s200 with boost, or even s100 with boost would be around 500 dollars...and that's without tuning.
Should i be thinking about buying an AFC?
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (NatakuBlitz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NatakuBlitz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> While i was on the hondata website i found that buying a hondata s200 with boost, or even s100 with boost would be around 500 dollars...and that's without tuning.
Should i be thinking about buying an AFC?</TD></TR></TABLE>
don't take the easy way out on an ems
you should maybe look into uberdata
not as expensive as hondata and you
can learn to tune it yourself
Should i be thinking about buying an AFC?</TD></TR></TABLE>
don't take the easy way out on an ems
you should maybe look into uberdata
not as expensive as hondata and you
can learn to tune it yourself
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Re: Ghetto Fab H23 (NatakuBlitz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NatakuBlitz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do believe the dsm turbo that i'm buying has an internal wastegate.
You're right, will also need Boost + EGT Gauges.
Can you explain to me how you're going to go about making your own tubing? I'm trying to find a turbo retailer that will let me buy their i/c piping and miscellaneous fittings set sans the turbo.
Perhaps this is what you're talkin about? Looks like that could be useful.
I'm guessing some aluminum custom bent (i'm only familiar with mandrel bending).
Modified by NatakuBlitz at 9:46 AM 5/17/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah sorta like that, it's just like 92LudeSi said. I'm probably going to pick up 2 180 bends and 2 stright pipes and maybe 1 or 2 90 degree bends.
And don't skimp on the EMS, that's how people blow engines
You're right, will also need Boost + EGT Gauges.
Can you explain to me how you're going to go about making your own tubing? I'm trying to find a turbo retailer that will let me buy their i/c piping and miscellaneous fittings set sans the turbo.
Perhaps this is what you're talkin about? Looks like that could be useful.
I'm guessing some aluminum custom bent (i'm only familiar with mandrel bending).
Modified by NatakuBlitz at 9:46 AM 5/17/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah sorta like that, it's just like 92LudeSi said. I'm probably going to pick up 2 180 bends and 2 stright pipes and maybe 1 or 2 90 degree bends.
And don't skimp on the EMS, that's how people blow engines
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I actually thought that the H23 and H22 intake manifolds were the same?!
But the stock DSM's boost is usually 6 psi, IIRC. I would not run the Missing Link and FMU; I would go w/ some DSM 450's and the VAFC hack.
But the stock DSM's boost is usually 6 psi, IIRC. I would not run the Missing Link and FMU; I would go w/ some DSM 450's and the VAFC hack.
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in reference to Überdata- i found these two sites:
http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/
and
http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler6....html
This is what you're talkin about right?
Looks like a lottt of work. i think i'm up for it. just wanna find someone that's reliable to do this install (the soldering portion).
Anyone here an ECU buff?
http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/
and
http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler6....html
This is what you're talkin about right?
Looks like a lottt of work. i think i'm up for it. just wanna find someone that's reliable to do this install (the soldering portion).
Anyone here an ECU buff?
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Re: (LudeyKrus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudeyKrus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I actually thought that the H23 and H22 intake manifolds were the same?!
But the stock DSM's boost is usually 6 psi, IIRC. I would not run the Missing Link and FMU; I would go w/ some DSM 450's and the VAFC hack.</TD></TR></TABLE>
were talking ehaust manifold, and on the h22 and h23 the uper portion buterflys up is the same, and butterflys below is different bolt pattern.
the afc hack can work very nicely for low boost
But the stock DSM's boost is usually 6 psi, IIRC. I would not run the Missing Link and FMU; I would go w/ some DSM 450's and the VAFC hack.</TD></TR></TABLE>
were talking ehaust manifold, and on the h22 and h23 the uper portion buterflys up is the same, and butterflys below is different bolt pattern.
the afc hack can work very nicely for low boost
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EDIT: Update.
So i'm going away from the AFC hack idea. Buying the apex'i unit is just a little more expensive than seems worth it with Uberdata as an option.
After having researched uberdata, i know that after some solder work and buying a flash programmer, ill be able to tune freely as if i had a hondata.. and it seems like that is MUCH safer than a hack any day of the week.
Total estimated cost of uberdata (burner included): $100.. vs. $500 hondata.. which id have to pay to be installed. So i'm smiling right now. That and i may not have to fork over the 85 bucks to buy the flash programmer.
*Uberdata info linked above.*
The daunting task of learning how to tune (although i have a friend with a dyno at his shop) is making this turbo install look like CAKE. haha.
Vtec92Civic is gonna help me out with this project and if he's reading this his help is greatly supported. He quoted me for ic piping and bov flange: 275, how does that look?
Modified by NatakuBlitz at 10:56 PM 5/17/2004
So i'm going away from the AFC hack idea. Buying the apex'i unit is just a little more expensive than seems worth it with Uberdata as an option.
After having researched uberdata, i know that after some solder work and buying a flash programmer, ill be able to tune freely as if i had a hondata.. and it seems like that is MUCH safer than a hack any day of the week.
Total estimated cost of uberdata (burner included): $100.. vs. $500 hondata.. which id have to pay to be installed. So i'm smiling right now. That and i may not have to fork over the 85 bucks to buy the flash programmer.
*Uberdata info linked above.*
The daunting task of learning how to tune (although i have a friend with a dyno at his shop) is making this turbo install look like CAKE. haha.
Vtec92Civic is gonna help me out with this project and if he's reading this his help is greatly supported. He quoted me for ic piping and bov flange: 275, how does that look?
Modified by NatakuBlitz at 10:56 PM 5/17/2004
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Can anyone source some (maybe used) i/c piping for a 92 lude?
For those of you buying the 180 deg. and 90 deg piping that youre going to fab yourself, how do you go about making the bends while going from the TB to hole next to the battery. More obtuse than 90 deg. so..can you have the aluminum bent for you?
For those of you buying the 180 deg. and 90 deg piping that youre going to fab yourself, how do you go about making the bends while going from the TB to hole next to the battery. More obtuse than 90 deg. so..can you have the aluminum bent for you?
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