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I have a good friend with a Supra so all I hear all day long is "go turbo, go turbo." I've seen this one kids R down here (south Florida) and he's pushing 461whp with a custom kit. Now I'm not looking for that, but rather what really turns out to be the better bang for the buck. I think for equal amounts of money you could get alot more HP going turbo. But is that really all that counts? I'm not gunna drag race. I'd like to do some sort of Autocross some day. I know a decent amount, consumer wise about going turbo.

What all are the benefits if I went NA and moded the internals. I've been reading all your posts about Toda's and JUN cams. What are the proper steps to take to go from stock to badarse NA monster. Please don't tell me to do a search, I'd really just prefer to see an explanation of the evolution of moding your internals, i.e. - first get cams, then head gasket blah blah blah, and it will do this for ya (I can never find that, only ?s on specific cams or what not)

Sorry this was so long



[Modified by Xerzex, 2:39 AM 10/12/2001]

 

yo man do i know you? b/c apparently we live in the same area

 

I'm not sure. My name is Mike. I'm in Miami now for college but I go home pretty often. I live in East Lake, and went to Lakewood. My other friend Kurt has an R in Clearwater too, but he just got rear ended last month and then in the shop it got broken into twice! IM me when u get a chance - ChachiX

 

So about the internals??? Can anyone explain the process of modding your internals?

 

don`t go turbo if you plan on autocrossing or RoadRace. Just my .o2 cents. Go NA and spend your buku bucks on a good susp, wheel/tire, and brake setup. Also, if you need somebody to explain "internals" for you, a boosted honda may not be a good idea.

Good luck





[Modified by vtecvoodoo, 6:50 PM 10/12/2001]

 

Upgrading internals would include such things as new connecting rods (which are lighter and stronger) and higher compression pistions (which are lighter and stronger). The strength and lightness gives you a higher redline. And higher compression gives you more power. You can increase compression by using a flatter head gasket too.

The higher rpms allow you to take advantage of agressive cams which require new valves (which are... lighter and stronger), valve springs (stiffer) and valve retainers. This is all so that the valve train can handle the more agressive cams and higher rpms, which in turn crank out more power.

Lastly you'd have your head ported and polished, for better flow which gives you more power as well. Although the ITR's have ported and polished heads already, I hear you can still improve on it.

For a full N/A tune there's tons more you'd need though, like a higher flowing intake manifold, headers and so on... but you only wanted to know about internal stuff.

People usually get about 200-220 whp off N/A tuning. All that stuff is expensive however, and since you have to crack open the engine labor will cost a pretty penny. Not to mention that you'll have to send some parts of your engine out, resulting in more downtime. A full N/A buildup can cost 5k plus easily...

Why N/A is better for some ppl? It's easier to control , higher redline is cool, less likely to blow engine and for some people it's simply a choice of philosophy.

As you know turbo will give you more power for less and if you want even more power, you'll need to upgrade internals as well. If you've driven a highly boosted car, you'll know when the boost comes on, it comes on hard, easily provoking wheel spin and so on.


[Modified by Ein, 11:36 AM 10/12/2001]


[Modified by Ein, 11:37 AM 10/12/2001]

 

Hey when your at home in Clearwater email me and I will take ya down to my mechanic, he can tell ya what will make power and what will not. I have also tried a bunch of setups on my R that I can tell ya about as well.

later
scott

 

Just a thought,if you don't plan on drag racing for the price of internals/valve train or turbo you could get a really sick suspension set up for your car.If it is autocrossing that interests you, that is where I would spend my money.There is more bang for the buck in suspension than in the motor(imo)

 

Thanks guys for the input.
Makes me feel a little dumb hearing that, but it puts me in my place. I think my problem is I hear everyone doing all these modifications and I get excited about what they're doing and I want to do them aswell. Sometimes I need to not get so worked up and want to dive into something. But I'm a smart kid, and this is the start of my research. I'll be glad to stop by your mechanics shop when I come up to Clearwater next time Scooter. Thanks for the invite.

My next step is going to be actually getting out on the track and then maybe I can say "Hey, i want more of this here, or that there" and go from there. I love driving my car as is so i can stay content for a while. Thanks alot guys.


[Modified by Xerzex, 10:44 PM 10/12/2001]

 

Go to the track, meet some friends, and you`ll learn your **** in no time. Don`t worry about asking dumb questions, that`s what we are here for . I`m happy to see that you are taking the time to research your project.

Good Luck!

Ryan

 

Thanks again. A few of my friends and I almost went to Moroso to do the quarter just for the hell of it tonight. We ended up not going cause of a party we're gunna go to, but next week I might. I'm not interested in a drag setup, but i'd still like to go for ***** and giggles. Have a good weekend guys. Later

 

after so many months being on Ht.com
I've realized how important a good suspension setup is
it's not always about power