This post is a gathering of signatures with reasons from real consumers that i would like to send to honda japan to show how they may be losing some ground to other companies by not bringing over type r's. Please dont pass up this post, every name and reason counts. I dont want to get to personal but if you could put what state you are from that would help too. thanks, dave karvasales

1. Dave Karvasales
San Francisco, California
Bring over the type r's, and the american people will give you the business that you need to make it worth your wild. thanks.

 

Yeah this might work...wait...no.

 

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lol........

 

ok fine..., i just thought if maybe other people had already done this before maybe they will actually start realizing things better. it doesnt mean that because of my petition it will change them, i clearly stated that it was just a effort TOWARDS a new look on things from honda.

 

I don't think honda makes much money off type r's. They pack so much good **** in there, i wouldn't be surprised if they were losing money!

"Why sell type r's when we can make more money selling base line models?"
-Thats probably what honda is thinking.

 

Like this petition?

http://www.petitiononline.com/...typer

I wish we had some sort of definitive answer as to why we don't get any of the R vehicles now. Perhaps the stupid crash test law is partly to blame (separate crash tests have to be run if the ride height is different), or maybe Honda just isn't looking at the issue in the proper light. Either way it is a serious insult Honda enthusiasts that we don't get the R's here, especially in light of all of the competition from other manufacturers. Then there's those stupid *** FP kits...

 

nobodys going to pay 30 grand for a integra or a civic

 

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i agree.

even with tons of signatures on a petition how many people will actually buy the car if it was brought here? Plus they cant even sell the Si.

 

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It's much, much cheapter to make a DC5 ITR or an EP3 CTR than it was to make a DC5 ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you mean DC2 ITR

 

30K for a RSX-R, I wish. In US dollars, after duites, I'd have to pay 70K for a new one.

But hey, if a petetion at the very most gets 'em into the show rooms so you can test drive it'll be worth it. I test drove a 2002 RSX-R this morning....hands down the best 2L engine and chassis combo ever produced. Love at 4000RPM.

 

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Certainly not. Why would it cost that much? Its cheaper for Honda to make than the DC2R was so I can't imagine them charging $30K for it. Granted, those stupid *** FP kits take the RSX-S out to $28K which for the life of me I can't understand. But hey, if Subaru (which is a much smaller company than Honda) can bring the STi for $31.5K with 3 LSD's, AWD, a larger turbo, bigger block, stiffer suspension, new aero parts, bigger brakes, and a new interior, I think it wouldn't be a stretch for Honda to be able to bring an RSX-R for around $25-26K with more power, bigger, brakes, less weight, stiffer suspension, and aero enhancements. Even if Honda were to lose $1000 or even $2000 per car its a small price to pay for the amount of prestige the Type-R moniker has brought Honda. If in a couple of years Honda execs will be scratching their heads wondering why young people have forsaken Honda this will be one of the reasons.

I've heard that the catalytic converter placement in the DC5R makes for relatively poor cold emissions (relative to other Hondas) but I just find it hard to believe that a company that has the engineering resources to develop Formula 1 engines and walking robots can't figure out a solution to that problem...

 

Something are more valuable if it's untouchable! Once it's exposed, it won't be as valuable. If everyone has an "R", then it would just be another "R", it won't be THE "R".

 

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Where did I say "R's for everyone!"? I am well aware that at most, a Type-R production run would only total a few thousand units a year (1-3K). Exclusivity is a big part of the appeal for some people, but I must say I don't particularly care. When its all said and done, its still a pointy-nosed Civic, not a damned Ferrari. I suppose what people want is to feel special, and the Type-R certainly is that, but too often I feel that some people think their R is a magic ***** extending status mobile rather than a homologated sport compact...

Edit: forgot a word


Modified by JMU R1 at 7:11 AM 9/7/2003

 

I think I signed another one of these a few years back. Still waiting to hear the results from that one..

 

You know you can get an R in america if you wanted. I think there is a delear in Florida that sells JDM "integras", STI's, EVO'S, and other stuff. If someone knows what I am talking about they should post the link so I dont sound insane. Thanks. Oh and If I recall the prices were around 27K for the ARRRRR.

 

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Certainly not. Why would it cost that much? Its cheaper for Honda to make than the DC2R was so I can't imagine them charging $30K for it. Granted, those stupid *** FP kits take the RSX-S out to $28K which for the life of me I can't understand. But hey, if Subaru (which is a much smaller company than Honda) can bring the STi for $31.5K with 3 LSD's, AWD, a larger turbo, bigger block, stiffer suspension, new aero parts, bigger brakes, and a new interior, I think it wouldn't be a stretch for Honda to be able to bring an RSX-R for around $25-26K with more power, bigger, brakes, less weight, stiffer suspension, and aero enhancements. Even if Honda were to lose $1000 or even $2000 per car its a small price to pay for the amount of prestige the Type-R moniker has brought Honda. If in a couple of years Honda execs will be scratching their heads wondering why young people have forsaken Honda this will be one of the reasons.

I've heard that the catalytic converter placement in the DC5R makes for relatively poor cold emissions (relative to other Hondas) but I just find it hard to believe that a company that has the engineering resources to develop Formula 1 engines and walking robots can't figure out a solution to that problem...</TD></TR></TABLE>

If honda of america charges 28k for an upgrade that doesnt even include brembo brakes and the main heart, the k20a engine+lsd...and the proper 17" wheels to go with it for 28k..what the hell makes you think theyre going to sell it for 25-26k? I see RSX type S' walking out for 25k everyday with the oem kit, fogs, and spoiler on it...lets say msrp differences..a base RSX typeS retails at around 24..the engine alone has to make it 25...brembo brakes/susp/wheel lets say by some miracle of God they only add like a 1000 for that ..26..painted full lip kit, wing,and the black headlamps by another miracle thats only 1000 too...27..aluminum hood, recaro SUede seats, and door inserts, steering wheel, etc...dude..no way.
Lancer Evo. 350z. STi. Honda just shot themselves in the foot with this one. Lets hope for the next gen...dc7?

 

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If honda of america charges 28k for an upgrade that doesnt even include brembo brakes and the main heart, the k20a engine+lsd...and the proper 17" wheels to go with it for 28k..what the hell makes you think theyre going to sell it for 25-26k? I see RSX type S' walking out for 25k everyday with the oem kit, fogs, and spoiler on it...lets say msrp differences..a base RSX typeS retails at around 24..the engine alone has to make it 25...brembo brakes/susp/wheel lets say by some miracle of God they only add like a 1000 for that ..26..painted full lip kit, wing,and the black headlamps by another miracle thats only 1000 too...27..aluminum hood, recaro SUede seats, and door inserts, steering wheel, etc...dude..no way.
Lancer Evo. 350z. STi. Honda just shot themselves in the foot with this one. Lets hope for the next gen...dc7?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are correct, Honda did shoot themselves in the foot with the FP kit. Because of this, one of two things would have to happen for the DC5R to come.

A. Honda would have to price it above the FP RSX-S, dooming it from the start
B. Honda would have to to price it correctly and either discontinue the RSX FP or let it die a painfully, forelorn death.

Of course we all hope for option B. My bet is that the RSX FP will fail miserably. I cannot see how anyone would prefer or even tolerate the FP when we know that there is a Type-R out there.

Perhaps for Honda the Factory Performance thing doesn't represent as much financial risk as certifying and selling a Type-R. Maybe some of the bean counters figured, "Even if the FP falls flat on its face we won't lose as much money as we would with an R." No one knows for sure what those AHM boys are thinking but hopefully they realize that the Integra Type-R's importance to Honda reached far greater than the money Honda lost selling them here. Similarly, the lack of the DC5R (or EP3R) is hurting the brand more than they know.

BTW: If we did get the DC5R I doubt we'd get the Recaro seats or the red carpet or the HIDs... Believe me, $26K is attainable. How much profit/loss Honda would make at the point is anyone's guess. How can I think that? Well the DC2R had a reinforced chassis, more power (with a mildly ported and polished head), bigger brakes, stiffer suspension, better tranny, lsd, aero kit, better seats, for only ~$2k more...

 

[QUOTE=JMU R1]
finally, a very well thought out answer/reply intead of "oh well they should just bring the typeR cuz its uh..an R!"..in those circumstances, then it would be possible..
The problem is, I think Honda seems to be doing well with the FP branch...
they keep introducing new components of this FP thing every year... i certainly wouldnt complain if there was an R in the line-up, i just cant foresee it in the market as it is right now with the FP in the lineup.

 

There have been so many petitions, threads and probably letters to Honda on this subject. Bottom line is I don't think they care about making a performance car for the U.S. market. They have always been the inexpensive reliable little car and I don't think they make as much money doing the performance thing.

I think they are making these under powered cars on purpose because they are looking to the after-market to make Honda a name in performance. I mean come on look at the history. Honda has never had a "sports car". The after-market made these dependable cars sports cars. The only performance car they have had (besides the NSX) is the DC2R which everyone knows they lost money on so why would they want to do it again?

I personally don't think they need any kind of R here. Seeing how well the K-series engine responds to bolt-ons you could have the performance of an R for a much lower price than if you just bought a DC5-R or a EP3-R.

Once more and more people take the base RSX and EP3 and mod them like with bolt-ons, turbo kits, and engine swaps than we can easily keep up with all the new cars you guys think Honda should be competing with. After all isn't that what made Honda the #1 car manufacture for the import performance enthusiast?

 

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There is definitely merit in the idea of leaving a lot of untapped potential in the car so that the aftermarket can find it. I think the potential of the K-series is proving to be quite impressive and may attract buyers to the new Hondas as word spreads.

Still, as production cars go, having a car that is bar-none at the head of its class pays big dividends for brand equity and prestige. The DC2R was the faster fwd car in the world at the time and won numerous touring car championships around the world. Can anyone deny that this helped Honda's performance image? Even now there are DC5R's racing in Japan and EP3R's racing in British Touring Car continuing the tradition. Why then should Honda forsake its biggest market where performance and bragging rights arguably matter the most?

 

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LMAO!

 

Soon after the RSX arrived in the US a petition for the RSX-R was generated. I don't have a link, but it has been done before, and may still be active. Maybe a search on google could locate it. There's been mention of it in the clubRSX board.

 

Check this site out. There do sell type R in the US you just have to look for them.

http://www.evolutionimports.com/

 

In America, the Integra did more for Honda's image than their 'halo' car the NSX ever did.

I think right now, theyre hanging thier hat on the Accord, TSX, and Element, while they plan what's next for the hybrids.

 

i belive in the next two years honda will introduce the ctr, to promote more sales of its hatchback. but thats just my opinion. But then again it seems more and more that it wont happen since they will introduce a fp kit for the new 04 civic si's.

also i read in a super street mag that they had a aniversary edition ctr, but it was valued at 28,000 us dollers.

so if thats the going rate for that car, then no one will buy it.


Modified by kikiboi at 6:47 AM 9/10/2003