Just a little info for those that care.

1998 DC2-R 58K miles
*Comptech air box
*Full Comptech exhaust and race header
*test pipe
*ATS final drive
Trey, let me know if I forgot anything.


Trey C. shows up yesterday and we put about 4hours on the dyno....after the dust had settled the results below speak for themselves.

Yummy '98 on the rollers


Final results


Bone Stock '01 Type R versus Trey's kar


Power FC versus the Hondata, as you can tell very,very little difference.


Fully tuned versus a bone stock '98 P73 ECU (only change was the ECU)


Same data as above but just shown in a "gains" form.



I'll let Trey fill in any gaps that I may have forgotten.

 

Very intersting

 

I do have a 2001 ITR Intake cam, Hondata IM gasket, Fidanza Flywhee; (This really matter?) and the Toda Gen1 cam gears that we left sitting at Zero

Jack ninja tuned the car for me and let me do the changing on the laptop. And then left me to drown in a sea of Hondata information oevrload. I learned a lot and gained a bunch in the midrange in the mean time. Was totally worth the wait (Been trying to get to P1 since early May).

to P1 and the yackster (man that nickname has so much literal meaning after the Expo). P1 is the only place that will touch my kaa beside me!!

Oh Jack you should tell everyone about the neat noise my car made!!

EDIT: As pointed out by our freind Austin I did forget to post that I do have 290 cc Prelude Injectors.


Modified by Asahi at 7:54 PM 7/29/2003

 

The fully tuned versus P73 ECU shows very nice midrange gains for both HP and TQ.

 

Before you bench racers compare numbers to a dynojet dyno and say "holy **** that's weak! those comptech parts must SUCK!" realize that this wasn't on a dynojet.

-Dave, who figured someone would post that the #'s suck shortly. #'s own HT

 

heh..

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=511707

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ElKamino &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Before you bench racers compare numbers to a dynojet dyno and say "holy **** that's weak! those comptech parts must SUCK!" realize that this wasn't on a dynojet.

-Dave, who figured someone would post that the #'s suck shortly. #'s own HT </TD></TR></TABLE>

Good point. Best guess before my Dynojet runs in the next week or so this is a 185-186 whp dynojet run.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ElKamino &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Before you bench racers compare numbers to a dynojet dyno and say "holy **** that's weak! those comptech parts must SUCK!" realize that this wasn't on a dynojet.

-Dave, who figured someone would post that the #'s suck shortly. #'s own HT </TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh STFU! Dynojets are the end all be all numbers! Don't you know that? Eddy Current suck *****.

Jack, who tuned the hondata?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">heh..

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=511707

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D</TD></TR></TABLE>

PS removed? CHEATER!!

 

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Jack, who tuned the hondata? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I did with Jack guidance.

Sure would have been nice if Lawrence Dynospot and Austin would have been willing to share austin's Hondata file that is about 99% like my setup. Woudl have saved me some time and given me something to compare to. . . . maybe someday.

 

Before you bench racers compare numbers to a dynojet dyno and say "holy **** that's weak! those comptech parts must SUCK!" realize that this wasn't on a dynojet


thank you sir

 

I'm suprised, the 98 ECU did fairly well from what I can tell - compared to a Full-tune.

Either way, nice results and thanks for sharing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sneakychaos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm suprised, the 98 ECU did fairly well from what I can tell - compared to a Full-tune.

Either way, nice results and thanks for sharing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

only in certain parts of the powerband. the difference under the curve is quite a bit. nice big midrange owns.

 

the stocker ran a pig rich 12.5 : 1, all thru the power band.....nasty A/F ratio

 

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sounds like my car, which is "tuned" it gets into 12.x a/f on the top end I cant wait to get that straightend out.

 

so which is better?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rob :190: &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so which is better?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Depends on who you ask .

 

Hondata with P1 tuning because both are Expo sponsors

 

i think the correct answer is "either one is great when tuned at P1"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Bone Stock '01 Type R versus Trey's kar


Fully tuned versus a bone stock '98 P73 ECU (only change was the ECU)

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Am I interpreting this correctly? The bone stock '98 ITR has significantly higher numbers that the bone stock '01 ITR?

 

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Am I interpreting this correctly? The bone stock '98 ITR has significantly higher numbers that the bone stock '01 ITR?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no.

The 98 was 2001 intake cam, Icebox, Comptech Race header, Testpipe, Comptech Exhaust with stock ECU.

2001 was stock.

 

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Sure would have been nice if Lawrence Dynospot and Austin would have been willing to share austin's Hondata file that is about 99% like my setup. Woudl have saved me some time and given me something to compare to. . . . maybe someday.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Trey, I would like to thank you for publically bashing me, and Lawrence at DynoSpot. DynoSpot has a policy that they will not share an ECU tune without the express permission of the person that paid for that tune. Lawrence and I were sitting down for dinner after a race and he told me that Hondata was asking about my tune, and wanted them to send a copy to them. I flatly refused to send a tune to Hondata that I have spent well over 30 DynoJet runs, and 6 months developing, I invested quite a few dollars to get my car to where I want it to be. If you figure that you can make ~5 runs per hour without heat affecting your tune, that would mean that I have spent 6 hours of fine tuning this setup, which at a "normal" tuning rate of $185 per hour would be a cost of $1,110.

If you're going to publically bash a company and a person please do so with accurate information. For the record we have setups that are far from being close...just to name a few; HyTech header vs. Comptech header, HPC Coated header, HyTech exhaust vs. Comptech 2.25" exhaust, Mugen head gasket vs. stock, JDM FD vs. ATS FD, I have a Spoon thermostat and Mugen thermoswitch which cause my car to run quite cold which allows me to run a leaner mixture, my setup is tuned for 91 octane gas, you're running...what, 93, or 94(less timing available for me)? We both have IceBox's, '97+ Prelude injectors(aren't you, you didn't list them in your mods), Hondata IM gasket(street install for me), and test pipes.

Yes, I am a little irritated on this subject. Could you please make it public how you obtained the Comptech and Hondata products?

Austin

 

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Yes, I am a little irritated on this subject. Could you please make it public how you obtained the Comptech and Hondata products?
Austin</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey austin, Isnt this the same guy that said the comptech header was very different compared to the hytech header?

austin is also running portflow valvesprings and ti retainers. humididty is also completely different on west coast.

 

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hey austin, Isnt this the same guy that said the comptech header was very different compared to the hytech header?

austin is also running portflow valvesprings and ti retainers. humididty is also completely different on west coast.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey, you're right...it is the same guy that said two different headers were in fact....different.

 

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hey austin, Isnt this the same guy that said the comptech header was very different compared to the hytech header?

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not again...please.