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Being a PE is pretty much the exclusive "society" you're referring to snooch.</TD></TR></TABLE>

PE?

 

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Being a licensed Professional Engineer. You have to take two exams and also have a certain number of years of experience. Most drawings/designs/etc. are been signed off by PE's. You are the person held accountable if a product/project is faulty. There's a pretty good pay bump for all that responsibility too.

 

not sure if it's been mentioned but i have one class for you


ENME408

or better known as FSAE...build a racecar from the ground up....period

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MichaelPal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not sure if it's been mentioned but i have one class for you


ENME408

or better known as FSAE...build a racecar from the ground up....period </TD></TR></TABLE>

Its been mentioned several times, and its not a class at some schools, just an extracurricular activity. Schools also tend to have different course codes as well.

 

ODU has a motorsports minor, and they are working on getting a masters program that you would work at Virginia International Raceway (VIR).

our FSAE team is not a class. which sucks but also good, retarded ME's cant come over here and expletive things up. most of the ME's i know, are just book smart. some of them can't even figure out load paths.

 

FYI- be VERY careful about joining SAE and getting heavily involved. It can open a lot of doors and is really fun, BUT many of the FSAE and CSC guys I know failed every class due to the SAE competitions. I managed to mix the two successfully, but it can be a VERY large commitment. Some schools are better at this than others.

PE can be good or bad. Some companies will put all of the risk for your actions on you once you have a PE which opens you up to a lot of liability. My company specifically discourages it for the average employee and only really encourages it if you're planning on going into the R&D department to build and design our equipment (in which case you probably have a Masters or Doctorate in engineering and are German).

We were required to take the Fundamentals of Engineering exam before we were allowed to graduate. Now, I'm a registered Engineer in Training. The exam can be very difficult (it's 8 hours and covers all 4 or more years of study), but none of our ME's failed. I thought is was pretty easy.

Tim

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by timg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FYI- be VERY careful about joining SAE and getting heavily involved. It can open a lot of doors and is really fun, BUT many of the FSAE and CSC guys I know failed every class due to the SAE competitions. I managed to mix the two successfully, but it can be a VERY large commitment. Some schools are better at this than others.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I mentioned that earlier and got ragged on. Its the same story with some kids at my school.

 

good to see this thread is alive n kickin.

 

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lol

Being a PE is pretty much the exclusive "society" you're referring to snooch.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea but being a PE doesn't guarantee exclusivity on "all" engineering projects. Professionals are people like doctors, lawyers, veternarians, and other positions where there is exclusivity. An example, some random 16 year old kid can't neuter cats, but he can design a traffic monitoring system in code and sell it to the people that run the benjamin franklin bridge in philadelphia. This actually happened. That is what truly keeps engineers from being professionals, even PE's.

FYI, only about 10% of engineers ever get there PE, and i guarantee the best engineers in the country do no have their PE's. When the IEEE was recently electing their board or whatever, not a single one of the nominees or elected guys had a PE, not one of them. There isn't a need for it really, unless you are looking to make more money, which is a reason but shouldn't be the most important one. If you are truly breaking ground in engineering, you wouldn't need a PE to make more money.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96ex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Try applying at Honda MFG. in Ohio thats where I'll be doing a co-op this summer.

I'd really like to work for the government tho on my next job, get a security clearence and knotch that salary up a bit for when i get out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How long of a co-op. I want to apply there as well, but it would have to be for 6 months and not 3. You gonna be working on all their jigs and what not?

 

They pretty much leave it up to you. I could have done 6months but I'm just doing 3 for this summer and hoping to work with the R&D group if I decide to go back.

I'll be wroking on the 2007 Acura TL in the Vehicle Quality deparment. Basically body panel fittment/interior fitment and working with CATIA

 

We have our fsae count as a senior project class for the full year (2 semesters). We are able to incorporate it into our other classes like FEA and Senior Lab.

 

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I'll be wroking on the 2007 Acura TL in the Vehicle Quality deparment. Basically body panel fittment/interior fitment and working with CATIA</TD></TR></TABLE>

sounds cool, what year are you and are you in the Ohio area? I should probably just try and catch you on aim or something i wanna poke your brain about it.

 

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I worked on quality/product engineering last summer and couldn't stand it. But to you if you enjoy it.

 

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I worked on quality/product engineering last summer and couldn't stand it. But to you if you enjoy it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Lol yea, my professors always joke about how we'll just end up designing door handles or something and measuring to see if they are in spec lol. More or less its just a foot in the door. I'd rather do R&D which I could probably do if choose to return.

Previous internship was designing a part for a vice in the Machine tool industry.
Designing = Machine tool =

Really just trying to find something I enjoy doing at this point.


snoochtodanooch- I'm from Pittsburgh and go to Penn State. If you've got any questions hit me up on aim sn: brauno8

 

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PE can be good or bad. Some companies will put all of the risk for your actions on you once you have a PE which opens you up to a lot of liability.
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I agree FSAE takes a lot of time. And your group members can ruin it for you. On the last day someone fu**s everything up. But if the group members are good people than go for it and I hope you win man.

Just because you obtain a license doesn't mean you all of sudden are in danger of losing it. A smart engineer will steer clear of projects that are too unconventional... in other words you can let somebody else be a pioneer.
PE is mostly for the construction industry. Also, a PE must be knowledgeable of civil, electrical and chemical engineering areas of study. PEs are required to approve structural design, mechanical and electrical design and components, structural kinematics (earthquake proof buildings, wind loads on skyscrapers) everything except the artistic design. Something called an "architect" has to draw that up.
I make money but I have to pay a PE who is a friend of mine to sign off on my drawings and designs. I will make more when I get my PE because I can pay myself what I pay him.
Also if you are working for a company and using your license you will get paid a LOT of money when there are situations when the engineer is liable and not the company. PEs usually don't work for anyone, rather they are consultants.


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FYI, only about 10% of engineers ever get there PE, and i guarantee the best engineers in the country do no have their PE's. When the IEEE was recently electing their board or whatever, not a single one of the nominees or elected guys had a PE, not one of them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's much &lt;10%.
IEEE is the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Electrical Engineering requires a PE almost exclusively within the construction industry. It does not apply in IEEE especially since electronics engineering will not usually start their own company and invent their own devices; they'll work for motorola or IBM. Professionals but not licensed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by timg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FYI- be VERY careful about joining SAE and getting heavily involved. It can open a lot of doors and is really fun, BUT many of the FSAE and CSC guys I know failed every class due to the SAE competitions. I managed to mix the two successfully, but it can be a VERY large commitment. Some schools are better at this than others.

PE can be good or bad. Some companies will put all of the risk for your actions on you once you have a PE which opens you up to a lot of liability. My company specifically discourages it for the average employee and only really encourages it if you're planning on going into the R&D department to build and design our equipment (in which case you probably have a Masters or Doctorate in engineering and are German).

We were required to take the Fundamentals of Engineering exam before we were allowed to graduate. Now, I'm a registered Engineer in Training. The exam can be very difficult (it's 8 hours and covers all 4 or more years of study), but none of our ME's failed. I thought is was pretty easy.

Tim</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea FSAE can be a double-edged sword. *IF* you can make it thru FSAE, maintain the grades, and still get Co-Op/Internship experience, then its well worth the extra time out of your schedule. But, if someone is using FSAE as their only experience, and can't maintain good grades, then they will likely be dissappointed.

As far as PE licenses are concerned.... it really depends highly on the company you're working for, and the career path you've chosen. In the HVAC or mechanical consulting industry, a PE license is likely a great idea to pursue. In R&D in the defense industry, you might want to get a master's degree first. There's many sucessful career paths to take, and getting a PE is just one of them.

 

I'm in 2nd year mech engineering, I can say that it is tough but ultimately worth it. As for FSAE, it will consume your time, very fast. Hard to balance it with school, it woul be better if they held the competition in late august so ppl could work on the cars during the summer.

 

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No freakin crap. I started out this year being in charge of suspension and driver controls. well, it turns out that due to alot of ball dropping, Im the only one on the team that can lay down any kind of decent bead, and Im also suddenly in charge of all the drivetrain down the line from the powerplant. this combined with our EXTREMELY low budget makes for interesting times; our car is still being built for the competition THIS MAY!!

luckily, the only major thing we are lacking are tires and aesthetic body work. Its all small stuff to be put together. the lack of tires is an interesting story that has to do with us kicking the crap out of our Mini Baja team afterwards.

 

Maybe I am little bit of an anomoly as far as FSAE and engineering goes. But for me, the involvment I had with FSAE (one of the founding members at my university, and devoting ~35-45 hours a week for 2.5 years) made everything in class make that much more sense. I needed to come up with theories and teach myself well ahead of what I was learning in class in order to be able to perform the duties I needed in FSAE. As a result, when it came time to learn the same subjects in class, I had that much of a head start. I have no doubt that FSAE was the only reason I managed to graduate, because it kept me interested in engineering, and now become an engineer in training working towards my PE. (or P. Eng. in canada)

Great thread. My only advice to potential students is not to let school get in the way of a good education.

 

who would have thought that the post would have reached 8 pages. thanks for all the info. with what i have found just on this page steered me away from doing engineering. i got laid off a few weeks ago and started the first steps in opening my own shop. the only way i am going to get rich is to own my own business. thanks again for everyones input.

 

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Amen to that.

Good luck with the new shop as well.