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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (eg8000rpm)
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You seriously would not want to drive that fucken beast like you stole it!?!? Just once!?!?
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No i'd love to drive it but it would suck when the frame gets twisted like a corkscrew from tryin to launch it. I just dont think it would be worth the trouble.
You seriously would not want to drive that fucken beast like you stole it!?!? Just once!?!?
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No i'd love to drive it but it would suck when the frame gets twisted like a corkscrew from tryin to launch it. I just dont think it would be worth the trouble.
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (TurboTagTeam)
if the engineers over at Honda Motor Corp. Japan thought it was even a remotely bright idea to design and produce a V8 into one of their production cars, they would have done so already.
...and it would have been placed in the new Honda Ridgeline. You say you want to go to Honda Motor Corp. with your ideas of 10-12 cylinder motors? With all due respect, Honda, given its deep, rich racing heritage, has probably thought about this at one point in the past 20-25 years. To suggest that by now, the 21st Century, they haven't thought about the idea of a V8 sports car or even to say that they lack the ability for such an endeavor, well that's just stupid.
though you seem to have a lot of ambitious plans and i hope you do your best to follow them through, i really do. maybe we'll see you on the cover of the SAE magazine with a picture of your "B8."
but to me, it sounds as though your plan isn't even well thought out- either that or you really don't have the specific technical knowledge for such a project.
for instance, if you're going to fabricate a completely custom 8-cylinder bottom end and mate it to some RWD drivetrain and all of that, why is it even necessary to put B-series heads on it? Why not an F-series, or an H-series head?
is there some specific reason you want B-series heads on there? and the issue of VTEC. What kind of a role would VTEC play in motor like that which would presumably be placed in a featherweight like a Honda Civic? What about continuously variable valve timing? Or would variable valve timing even be necessary at all with the configuration you're proposing?
or are those things, the b-series heads, the VTEC.. merely contraptions to score attention and "cool points"? if so, then well there's a lot of simpler, more cost effective and less extravagant methods of scoring points at auto-shows.
Good luck with your project though. I hope you do it. But you've got to admit, it's easy for you to promise that you'll do it when you say we have to wait ten years for it to happen- because, lets not kid ourselves, i'm willing to bet that no one here is going to be at the edge of their seat in ten years actually expecting to find this thread brought back from the dead and updated with pictures of your B8.
...and it would have been placed in the new Honda Ridgeline. You say you want to go to Honda Motor Corp. with your ideas of 10-12 cylinder motors? With all due respect, Honda, given its deep, rich racing heritage, has probably thought about this at one point in the past 20-25 years. To suggest that by now, the 21st Century, they haven't thought about the idea of a V8 sports car or even to say that they lack the ability for such an endeavor, well that's just stupid.
though you seem to have a lot of ambitious plans and i hope you do your best to follow them through, i really do. maybe we'll see you on the cover of the SAE magazine with a picture of your "B8."
but to me, it sounds as though your plan isn't even well thought out- either that or you really don't have the specific technical knowledge for such a project.
for instance, if you're going to fabricate a completely custom 8-cylinder bottom end and mate it to some RWD drivetrain and all of that, why is it even necessary to put B-series heads on it? Why not an F-series, or an H-series head?
is there some specific reason you want B-series heads on there? and the issue of VTEC. What kind of a role would VTEC play in motor like that which would presumably be placed in a featherweight like a Honda Civic? What about continuously variable valve timing? Or would variable valve timing even be necessary at all with the configuration you're proposing?
or are those things, the b-series heads, the VTEC.. merely contraptions to score attention and "cool points"? if so, then well there's a lot of simpler, more cost effective and less extravagant methods of scoring points at auto-shows.
Good luck with your project though. I hope you do it. But you've got to admit, it's easy for you to promise that you'll do it when you say we have to wait ten years for it to happen- because, lets not kid ourselves, i'm willing to bet that no one here is going to be at the edge of their seat in ten years actually expecting to find this thread brought back from the dead and updated with pictures of your B8.
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (Screwtape:)
These arent new ideas, dont get too excited. If you really wanted to waste your time doing these things, then by all means. Try and wow somebody, if you can make it work. GL. The most interesting thing of this nature was the British company taking Hayabusa motors and making them into V8's. I think that was in a SCC, anyone else read it?
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (HondaFanatic708)
i agree with the talk is cheap comment, its VERY doable, but it would take a LOT of time and money. look at the gsx-r v8 motor? that is BAD ***. anyway, doing that with a b series would be the ****. but if you really wanna blow people away with your vision, don't say a word till its done, then show everyone, THAT would blow people away...
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (Screwtape:)
Wow a bunch of thoughtful comments while I was sleeping. Again I thank everyone involved in our discussion.
Well to start off, good comments. Honda HAS expanded it's motor cylinder number for race applications. Look at CART and F1. Those motors are out there. And my Hand Built Honda Hybrids will in no way be "production". Maybe 40-60 cars anually at max. If that is even possible with the engineering that will go in to those. My friends I'm not sure it is truely said in "Carbon Fiber". That **** is amazing. Tensil strength between steel and titanium but a weight almost 1/3 of alluminum? That's ****** INSANE!!
B-series were first chosen because of the popularity and availability of them... F or H are certianly possible, but why don't you mention K-series? Now that would be the ****. And VTEC will play a crutial role in the overall POWER this beast will produce. Imaging a 2-stage VTEC, one crossover at like 3600RPM then the next at 4000RPM. It would be more of a pull through the power band. I can't wait to feel it, I'm tellin you. Also no V8 is in a commercial Honda/Acura vehicle bacause their goal is to deliver relaibility, fuel-economy, saftey, re-sale and some bells and whistles. I love Honda, they are an engineering genius in the auto world. That is why I have chosen the Honda platform. Nothing and I mean NOTHING beats it, IMHO.
Attention and cool points are just a bonus. There are some many more, somewhat played out at times, ways to score these points. What I want is pure octane, ballsy power, I want tuners and non both to drool. I want to fire up the motor, hit it to WOT and have the exhaust pressure blow a womans clothes off. Honda invented variable valve timing in VTEC. Anyone contest?
Yes talk is cheap, no question. I agree with this comment above. I was bored and tired of helping newbs with simple no-brainer ****. I needed a rooted discussion or debate for a while. I should have kept my mouth shut. In all honesty, I have quiete a few projects I need to complete before I even begin thinking about engineering this setup. We just can't discuss those yet. You will see these other projects before you see the BB8-Ri. Thanks again guys and ladies especially. 
Happy Tuning!!
Originally Posted by Screwtape:
if the engineers over at Honda Motor Corp. Japan thought it was even a remotely bright idea to design and produce a V8 into one of their production cars, they would have done so already.
...and it would have been placed in the new Honda Ridgeline. You say you want to go to Honda Motor Corp. with your ideas of 10-12 cylinder motors? With all due respect, Honda, given its deep, rich racing heritage, has probably thought about this at one point in the past 20-25 years. To suggest that by now, the 21st Century, they haven't thought about the idea of a V8 sports car or even to say that they lack the ability for such an endeavor, well that's just stupid.
though you seem to have a lot of ambitious plans and i hope you do your best to follow them through, i really do. maybe we'll see you on the cover of the SAE magazine with a picture of your "B8."
but to me, it sounds as though your plan isn't even well thought out- either that or you really don't have the specific technical knowledge for such a project.
for instance, if you're going to fabricate a completely custom 8-cylinder bottom end and mate it to some RWD drivetrain and all of that, why is it even necessary to put B-series heads on it? Why not an F-series, or an H-series head?
is there some specific reason you want B-series heads on there? and the issue of VTEC. What kind of a role would VTEC play in motor like that which would presumably be placed in a featherweight like a Honda Civic? What about continuously variable valve timing? Or would variable valve timing even be necessary at all with the configuration you're proposing?
or are those things, the b-series heads, the VTEC.. merely contraptions to score attention and "cool points"? if so, then well there's a lot of simpler, more cost effective and less extravagant methods of scoring points at auto-shows.
Good luck with your project though. I hope you do it. But you've got to admit, it's easy for you to promise that you'll do it when you say we have to wait ten years for it to happen- because, lets not kid ourselves, i'm willing to bet that no one here is going to be at the edge of their seat in ten years actually expecting to find this thread brought back from the dead and updated with pictures of your B8.
...and it would have been placed in the new Honda Ridgeline. You say you want to go to Honda Motor Corp. with your ideas of 10-12 cylinder motors? With all due respect, Honda, given its deep, rich racing heritage, has probably thought about this at one point in the past 20-25 years. To suggest that by now, the 21st Century, they haven't thought about the idea of a V8 sports car or even to say that they lack the ability for such an endeavor, well that's just stupid.
though you seem to have a lot of ambitious plans and i hope you do your best to follow them through, i really do. maybe we'll see you on the cover of the SAE magazine with a picture of your "B8."
but to me, it sounds as though your plan isn't even well thought out- either that or you really don't have the specific technical knowledge for such a project.
for instance, if you're going to fabricate a completely custom 8-cylinder bottom end and mate it to some RWD drivetrain and all of that, why is it even necessary to put B-series heads on it? Why not an F-series, or an H-series head?
is there some specific reason you want B-series heads on there? and the issue of VTEC. What kind of a role would VTEC play in motor like that which would presumably be placed in a featherweight like a Honda Civic? What about continuously variable valve timing? Or would variable valve timing even be necessary at all with the configuration you're proposing?
or are those things, the b-series heads, the VTEC.. merely contraptions to score attention and "cool points"? if so, then well there's a lot of simpler, more cost effective and less extravagant methods of scoring points at auto-shows.
Good luck with your project though. I hope you do it. But you've got to admit, it's easy for you to promise that you'll do it when you say we have to wait ten years for it to happen- because, lets not kid ourselves, i'm willing to bet that no one here is going to be at the edge of their seat in ten years actually expecting to find this thread brought back from the dead and updated with pictures of your B8.
B-series were first chosen because of the popularity and availability of them... F or H are certianly possible, but why don't you mention K-series? Now that would be the ****. And VTEC will play a crutial role in the overall POWER this beast will produce. Imaging a 2-stage VTEC, one crossover at like 3600RPM then the next at 4000RPM. It would be more of a pull through the power band. I can't wait to feel it, I'm tellin you. Also no V8 is in a commercial Honda/Acura vehicle bacause their goal is to deliver relaibility, fuel-economy, saftey, re-sale and some bells and whistles. I love Honda, they are an engineering genius in the auto world. That is why I have chosen the Honda platform. Nothing and I mean NOTHING beats it, IMHO.
Originally Posted by Screwtape:
or are those things, the b-series heads, the VTEC.. merely contraptions to score attention and "cool points"? if so, then well there's a lot of simpler, more cost effective and less extravagant methods of scoring points at auto-shows.
Originally Posted by Littlegreend15
i agree with the talk is cheap comment, its VERY doable, but it would take a LOT of time and money. look at the gsx-r v8 motor? that is BAD ***. anyway, doing that with a b series would be the ****. but if you really wanna blow people away with your vision, don't say a word till its done, then show everyone, THAT would blow people away...
Happy Tuning!!
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (hondadude96)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondadude96 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice dude, If i give you a dollar now will you let me drive it when you finish it? 
Call it an investment.
I once had dreams of putting a 350 and a 454 into a civic hatch one front and one back but i never got around to it.
Good luck!
hey also clear this stupid question up for me what does lmao stand for?</TD></TR></TABLE> Hey bro, keep your buck. I appreciate the offer, keep in touch, we'll meet up, you'll show me how you drive your car and then we'll consider it. Cool? Someone in here said the "There is no replacement for displacement" and I also mentioned the new rule on the block, "There is no replacement for technology". I'm getting the best of both worlds here.
Like said already LMAO = LaughMyAssOff
Modified by HondaFanatic708 at 9:52 AM 5/2/2005
Call it an investment.I once had dreams of putting a 350 and a 454 into a civic hatch one front and one back but i never got around to it.
Good luck!
hey also clear this stupid question up for me what does lmao stand for?</TD></TR></TABLE> Hey bro, keep your buck. I appreciate the offer, keep in touch, we'll meet up, you'll show me how you drive your car and then we'll consider it. Cool? Someone in here said the "There is no replacement for displacement" and I also mentioned the new rule on the block, "There is no replacement for technology". I'm getting the best of both worlds here.
Like said already LMAO = LaughMyAssOff
Modified by HondaFanatic708 at 9:52 AM 5/2/2005
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (HondaFanatic708)
i remember hearing awhile back about an english company that had hybrid two hayabusa engines to make a v8 that revs to 10K all day. ****, that might have been on this board... i wouldn't know details but this could be helpful. could be cool.
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (censurebush)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by censurebush »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i remember hearing awhile back about an english company that had hybrid two hayabusa engines to make a v8 that revs to 10K all day. ****, that might have been on this board... i wouldn't know details but this could be helpful. could be cool. </TD></TR></TABLE>YES!! We have another supporter of V8-VTEC! Good **** man. We'll have to rent out Elhart Lake, WI for a weekend and rip our cars when she's done.
</TD></TR></TABLE>YES!! We have another supporter of V8-VTEC! Good **** man. We'll have to rent out Elhart Lake, WI for a weekend and rip our cars when she's done.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fujii13 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">instead of b8 (which would signify it being a .8 litre) you should call it the B32a, since it would be a 3.2L (consisting of two 1.6L litre blocks).</TD></TR></TABLE>True, but in being a custom block it could even be the B40-Ri2 or some ****. A 8cyl 4.0 liter Dual K20A-Type R heads i-Vtec... I will draw up a pic or two. Have a big *** turbo right in the front. Have this funky *** phatty hood with a tunnel effect to the turbo. Boost the **** out of it. Obviously it would be wide body. I would probably widen the car by roughly 3-4cm each side. Larger wider wheels, at least 18" maybe 19", 9"-10" wide. Entended ugs with wheel spacers. I would upgrade the car to 5 lug. I would most likely do it to my EJ Desiree. So I would use ITR for the lug conversion. 12" Rotors, 4piston calipers up front, 11.7' rotors, 4 piston in the rear. Anyone got a link to an NSX factory service manual? I need some info in detail about the trans. Or if you can get your hands on the FSM for the new RL. **** this custom Honda I'm gonna build will be Legendary... 
[~*++**Honda*Legend*Screen*Saver**++*~]
A ton of carbon work will go into this car as well. S2000 or maybe Prelude or maybe 05' Legend tails. Possibly 05' Legend headlights as well. That Active Front Lighting System AFS, it is pretty dope, HID and ****... Turns up to 20degrees in the direction your turning. Can you say "Playah!!".
A <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by www.Acura.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This system swivels and aims the Xenon High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlights up to 20 degrees into the direction of the turn that the RL is steered, keeping the beam focused on the road. The system is initiated when the RL travels over 66 feet at a sustained speed over 12 miles per hour. When moving through a curve, the inside headlight pivots up to 20 degrees in that direction, while the other headlight remains stationary. AFS works automatically without buttons to push or settings to configure. However, the driver may manually turn it off, if desired.LINK</TD></TR></TABLE>
hmm lets see what else. Obviously phatty dual exhausts. A big as turbo with a nice intercooler with a nitro ring.
These wheels powdercoated a flat black, still with the red emblem...
The car will be run by a form of like Uberdate. Using Hexidecimal to hack ECU programs. Program the ROM on the EMPROMM chip and your good. Blah blah blah. I could go on for hours, don't get me started... Happy TUNING!!
Modified by HondaFanatic708 at 11:25 AM 5/2/2005
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A ton of carbon work will go into this car as well. S2000 or maybe Prelude or maybe 05' Legend tails. Possibly 05' Legend headlights as well. That Active Front Lighting System AFS, it is pretty dope, HID and ****... Turns up to 20degrees in the direction your turning. Can you say "Playah!!".
A <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by www.Acura.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This system swivels and aims the Xenon High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlights up to 20 degrees into the direction of the turn that the RL is steered, keeping the beam focused on the road. The system is initiated when the RL travels over 66 feet at a sustained speed over 12 miles per hour. When moving through a curve, the inside headlight pivots up to 20 degrees in that direction, while the other headlight remains stationary. AFS works automatically without buttons to push or settings to configure. However, the driver may manually turn it off, if desired.LINK</TD></TR></TABLE>
hmm lets see what else. Obviously phatty dual exhausts. A big as turbo with a nice intercooler with a nitro ring.
These wheels powdercoated a flat black, still with the red emblem...
The car will be run by a form of like Uberdate. Using Hexidecimal to hack ECU programs. Program the ROM on the EMPROMM chip and your good. Blah blah blah. I could go on for hours, don't get me started...
Happy TUNING!! Modified by HondaFanatic708 at 11:25 AM 5/2/2005
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ok, let's say you get this done... a civic isn't exactly the optimal chassis for this kind of motor... why not put 2 f20c's together in an s2000? at least that car is already RWD...
the motor is a good idea, especially if you can get it to work... i just don't think a civic would be the best platform to put the motor in...
the motor is a good idea, especially if you can get it to work... i just don't think a civic would be the best platform to put the motor in...
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a V16 would be the ultimate. use the K20 head and a 2.4l stroke so u end up w/ 9.6 liters. add 4 turbos and 4 supercharger plus nitro and ur ready to go with ur eg better yet, mount it in a Jazz. it would blow the doors off my jazz/k20.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vanilla Sky »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, let's say you get this done... a civic isn't exactly the optimal chassis for this kind of motor... why not put 2 f20c's together in an s2000? at least that car is already RWD...
the motor is a good idea, especially if you can get it to work... i just don't think a civic would be the best platform to put the motor in...</TD></TR></TABLE> Well you wont even be able to tell it is a civic when I'm done. I will have to cut the floor and firewall inorder to create the hump for the trans. and I would have to do a bit of Custom suspension. I would probable have to customize a slightly different suspension setup. Obviously a much higher spring rate all around. I can build/modify the chassis to fit my needs. It will not be simple but it can be done. I might even use the in-wheel suspension off the s2k. Who knows. I think a custom built S2k trans would be the best option. If I did NSX I would have to make it rear engine, or a phatty front wheel drive, hmmm damn brain juices flowin again. But either way, once I get it up and running I will look at modifying the drive train once more. To make a 6spd SH-AWD Civic with a K40-RiII. Anyone here do any research into SH-AWD?
EDIT: I've decided a 4.0l wouldn't be enough, it would have to be like a 5.5l or maybe a 5.0 but I don't want people to this I like Mustangs..
ANOTHER EDIT: Ah **** it 6.2l K62-RiII SH-AWD EJ Civic
the motor is a good idea, especially if you can get it to work... i just don't think a civic would be the best platform to put the motor in...</TD></TR></TABLE> Well you wont even be able to tell it is a civic when I'm done. I will have to cut the floor and firewall inorder to create the hump for the trans. and I would have to do a bit of Custom suspension. I would probable have to customize a slightly different suspension setup. Obviously a much higher spring rate all around. I can build/modify the chassis to fit my needs. It will not be simple but it can be done. I might even use the in-wheel suspension off the s2k. Who knows. I think a custom built S2k trans would be the best option. If I did NSX I would have to make it rear engine, or a phatty front wheel drive, hmmm damn brain juices flowin again. But either way, once I get it up and running I will look at modifying the drive train once more. To make a 6spd SH-AWD Civic with a K40-RiII. Anyone here do any research into SH-AWD?
EDIT: I've decided a 4.0l wouldn't be enough, it would have to be like a 5.5l or maybe a 5.0 but I don't want people to this I like Mustangs..
ANOTHER EDIT: Ah **** it 6.2l K62-RiII SH-AWD EJ Civic
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i read the first couple posts and couldnt read any more....
where is your engineering degree from?
and, did you ever stop and ask yourself why honda hasnt already done this...? or are you just assuming you are more intelligent than their years and teams of work.
where is your engineering degree from?
and, did you ever stop and ask yourself why honda hasnt already done this...? or are you just assuming you are more intelligent than their years and teams of work.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by envision2teg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i read the first couple posts and couldnt read any more....
where is your engineering degree from?
and, did you ever stop and ask yourself why honda hasnt already done this...? or are you just assuming you are more intelligent than their years and teams of work.</TD></TR></TABLE>Obviously you didn't read all the posts. I named this post this because I knew I would get flamed. But I appreciate your opinion. I never once said I was any smarter than Honda engineers. Never once. And I never said anything about a degree. I believe in teaching myself a subject as opposed to paying like $1400 for some professor to teach what they want on the subject matter and their opinion on it all. **** that little piece of paper with the "Golden Seal" of sociological approval. I prefer to self-educate. Who knows, they may have thought of it, I just want to borrow some of their engineering genius to build my monsters. Sorry if you don't approve..
where is your engineering degree from?
and, did you ever stop and ask yourself why honda hasnt already done this...? or are you just assuming you are more intelligent than their years and teams of work.</TD></TR></TABLE>Obviously you didn't read all the posts. I named this post this because I knew I would get flamed. But I appreciate your opinion. I never once said I was any smarter than Honda engineers. Never once. And I never said anything about a degree. I believe in teaching myself a subject as opposed to paying like $1400 for some professor to teach what they want on the subject matter and their opinion on it all. **** that little piece of paper with the "Golden Seal" of sociological approval. I prefer to self-educate. Who knows, they may have thought of it, I just want to borrow some of their engineering genius to build my monsters. Sorry if you don't approve..
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (HondaFanatic708)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow a bunch of thoughtful comments while I was sleeping. Again I thank everyone involved in our discussion.
Well to start off, good comments. Honda HAS expanded it's motor cylinder number for race applications. Look at CART and F1. Those motors are out there. And my Hand Built Honda Hybrids will in no way be "production". Maybe 40-60 cars anually at max. If that is even possible with the engineering that will go in to those. My friends I'm not sure it is truely said in "Carbon Fiber". That **** is amazing. Tensil strength between steel and titanium but a weight almost 1/3 of alluminum? That's ****** INSANE!!
B-series were first chosen because of the popularity and availability of them... F or H are certianly possible, but why don't you mention K-series? Now that would be the ****. And VTEC will play a crutial role in the overall POWER this beast will produce. Imaging a 2-stage VTEC, one crossover at like 3600RPM then the next at 4000RPM. It would be more of a pull through the power band. I can't wait to feel it, I'm tellin you. Also no V8 is in a commercial Honda/Acura vehicle bacause their goal is to deliver relaibility, fuel-economy, saftey, re-sale and some bells and whistles. I love Honda, they are an engineering genius in the auto world. That is why I have chosen the Honda platform. Nothing and I mean NOTHING beats it, IMHO.
Attention and cool points are just a bonus. There are some many more, somewhat played out at times, ways to score these points. What I want is pure octane, ballsy power, I want tuners and non both to drool. I want to fire up the motor, hit it to WOT and have the exhaust pressure blow a womans clothes off. Honda invented variable valve timing in VTEC. Anyone contest?
Yes talk is cheap, no question. I agree with this comment above. I was bored and tired of helping newbs with simple no-brainer ****. I needed a rooted discussion or debate for a while. I should have kept my mouth shut. In all honesty, I have quiete a few projects I need to complete before I even begin thinking about engineering this setup. We just can't discuss those yet. You will see these other projects before you see the BB8-Ri. Thanks again guys and ladies especially. Happy Tuning!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Oh BTW this is the post where someone already asked me why I think Honda hasn't done this. Read next time blondie... Happy TUNING!!
Well to start off, good comments. Honda HAS expanded it's motor cylinder number for race applications. Look at CART and F1. Those motors are out there. And my Hand Built Honda Hybrids will in no way be "production". Maybe 40-60 cars anually at max. If that is even possible with the engineering that will go in to those. My friends I'm not sure it is truely said in "Carbon Fiber". That **** is amazing. Tensil strength between steel and titanium but a weight almost 1/3 of alluminum? That's ****** INSANE!!
B-series were first chosen because of the popularity and availability of them... F or H are certianly possible, but why don't you mention K-series? Now that would be the ****. And VTEC will play a crutial role in the overall POWER this beast will produce. Imaging a 2-stage VTEC, one crossover at like 3600RPM then the next at 4000RPM. It would be more of a pull through the power band. I can't wait to feel it, I'm tellin you. Also no V8 is in a commercial Honda/Acura vehicle bacause their goal is to deliver relaibility, fuel-economy, saftey, re-sale and some bells and whistles. I love Honda, they are an engineering genius in the auto world. That is why I have chosen the Honda platform. Nothing and I mean NOTHING beats it, IMHO.
Attention and cool points are just a bonus. There are some many more, somewhat played out at times, ways to score these points. What I want is pure octane, ballsy power, I want tuners and non both to drool. I want to fire up the motor, hit it to WOT and have the exhaust pressure blow a womans clothes off. Honda invented variable valve timing in VTEC. Anyone contest?
Yes talk is cheap, no question. I agree with this comment above. I was bored and tired of helping newbs with simple no-brainer ****. I needed a rooted discussion or debate for a while. I should have kept my mouth shut. In all honesty, I have quiete a few projects I need to complete before I even begin thinking about engineering this setup. We just can't discuss those yet. You will see these other projects before you see the BB8-Ri. Thanks again guys and ladies especially.
Happy Tuning!!</TD></TR></TABLE>Oh BTW this is the post where someone already asked me why I think Honda hasn't done this. Read next time blondie... Happy TUNING!!
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Re: (HondaFanatic708)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Obviously you didn't read all the posts. I named this post this because I knew I would get flamed. But I appreciate your opinion. I never once said I was any smarter than Honda engineers. Never once. And I never said anything about a degree. I believe in teaching myself a subject as opposed to paying like $1400 for some professor to teach what they want on the subject matter and their opinion on it all. **** that little piece of paper with the "Golden Seal" of sociological approval. I prefer to self-educate. Who knows, they may have thought of it, I just want to borrow some of their engineering genius to build my monsters. Sorry if you don't approve.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
your right. i stated that i didnt read all the posts.
i wouldnt say "i dont approve."
but i will say there are huge holes in your plan, and take that as you will, im not trying to flame.
as an engineering student, in my opinion there are many things i would/could not have learned outside of the classroom.
</TD></TR></TABLE>your right. i stated that i didnt read all the posts.
i wouldnt say "i dont approve."
but i will say there are huge holes in your plan, and take that as you will, im not trying to flame.
as an engineering student, in my opinion there are many things i would/could not have learned outside of the classroom.
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Re: (hondadude96)
this is a grand idea but i think you will need some help. you are going to know heat transfer combustion propigation properties. vibration analasis. i think its possible to complete such a task but. even if this engine is built it might make no power whatsovever. a b series head flows great ontop of the motor it was designed for but now you want to run that head on a v8 the engine is a whole new beast and these heads might flow like crap. they arent designed to work with. i would go out and buy a honda F1 motor and research that motor or se if they will give you any information which they probally wont. im not trying to flame this post i just want you to realize what you are getting into before you spend 5000 bux designing and machining a block that wont work because the crank hits it you need alot of info and trial and error honda dosent use the first thing they build im sure you need R&D
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Re: (maskednegator)
Sounds like an idea, but measure your parts. There is no way you will fit two rods on a single crank journal, with enough room for the main journal before you hit the next rod journal. You would either have to thin out the rods significantly, use a teeny main journal, or just give up on the whole idea.
Think about it... The rod journals on a Honda are not much smaller than a SBC journal, and they barely fit in there with the counterweights, and SBC pistons are an inch wider, with more bore spacing, than Honda pistons.
Think about it... The rod journals on a Honda are not much smaller than a SBC journal, and they barely fit in there with the counterweights, and SBC pistons are an inch wider, with more bore spacing, than Honda pistons.