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Old Dec 17, 2010 | 02:34 PM
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all this just from a quaife install?
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Old Dec 17, 2010 | 03:49 PM
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all this just from a quaife install?
Yeah, that's what has me perplexed. I give them a perfectly good working transmission, and I get back one that poops metal. I'm just quite confused. Maybe it's just dumb luck, but they seem rather helpless...
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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 07:55 AM
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I would request a refund and start over. The 5th sleeve does look bad (not from the LSD install) from what I can see in the picture and it should slide completely over the hub since 5th does not use a lock. The broken speedo gear should be replaced. I personally do not use welded cases so I would suggest replacing it as well. The complete transmission needs to be disassembled. cleaned and inspected at this point.
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Old Dec 24, 2010 | 01:54 PM
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My impression is that the debris was already present and they had nothing to do with it if they did not disassemble any of the shafts. It was a differential install so there was no reason to disassemble them.

Also, the damage to the VSS ring gear is their fault.
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Old Dec 25, 2010 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by IN VTEC
My impression is that the debris was already present and they had nothing to do with it if they did not disassemble any of the shafts. It was a differential install so there was no reason to disassemble them.

Also, the damage to the VSS ring gear is their fault.
If they opened up the case and saw all that garbage inside there, they should have stopped everything, called the guy up and told him that he has some problems. Not throw the diff in, seal it up, and try to make a quick buck.
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Old Dec 25, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Stine
If they opened up the case and saw all that garbage inside there, they should have stopped everything, called the guy up and told him that he has some problems. Not throw the diff in, seal it up, and try to make a quick buck.
You usually don't see the metal that's clogged the oiling passages without disassembly of the gear stacks though. Usually, the only bit of that you can see is some of the metal flakes sitting right below the ISB and tabbed washer on the distance collar, which still requires the removal of the ISB. But, that's not me excusing them from not checking it out. Just saying that they wouldn't have necessarily seen anything at first glance on just a diff install.
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 01:27 PM
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ya, im going to go with dave with this one. i had a customer call me back after his transmission was giving him ****. and it actually was the reverse ilder gear. same symptoms with not engaging into gear etc. i had forgot to put the washer in it(bearings instead of brass insert) and it did not space out enough. so after that i replaced the idler gear completely with a new CLEANED washer, inspected everything else and reassembled it. not i was lucky enough to catch a FEW shavings from the transmission but i think that was just because of the idler gear. nothing else. sent it back and never had a problem after that. if ya need any help, let me know, im always on and always willing to lend a hand, be it over the phone or through pm.
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Honda Bull
You usually don't see the metal that's clogged the oiling passages without disassembly of the gear stacks though. Usually, the only bit of that you can see is some of the metal flakes sitting right below the ISB and tabbed washer on the distance collar, which still requires the removal of the ISB. But, that's not me excusing them from not checking it out. Just saying that they wouldn't have necessarily seen anything at first glance on just a diff install.
If theres enough metal to CLOG up oiling passages in the shafts, there will be MANY hints. Ive taken apart enough of these things. If you choose not to disassemble the shafts then your not doing the job correctly. Differential install, isb, whatever your doing, why not take the shafts apart and clean everything? Is it that big of a deal? It takes maybe half hour to dissassemble, clean, inspect, and re-assemble them.

Any monkey can split a case and slam some garbage together and call themself a transmission "rebuilder". Not many take pride in their work anymore, its all about how quick they can get it done.
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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where is the like button for this comment?^ lol
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 08:10 PM
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This is the reason why we charge more than average for our transmission rebuilds. Everything is taken apart, checked, deburred and polished before being put back together. We don't just "install an LSD"
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 08:16 PM
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nor do i
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Stine
If theres enough metal to CLOG up oiling passages in the shafts, there will be MANY hints. Ive taken apart enough of these things.
Would you please care to share these MANY hints for anyone?

Because flakes in the fluid certainly don't point to clogged oil orifices. 95+% of the transmissions I've inspected/repaired have had flakes in the fluid. Yet maybe 1 in 20 have had clogged orifices. The teeth of the brass synchros, specifically 5th and reverse, getting beat up from sleeve wear? Sleeve wear in general? No. I've had some like that with clean oiling orifices and some without. So by all means, elaborate on what you specifically see, that, without tearing down the shafts, you can tell the oiling orifices will be clogged. Because you can't see nor smell the nasty, brown sludge that can accumulate on the needle bearings behind the gears from a prolonged lack of oil.

Originally Posted by Stine
Differential install, isb, whatever your doing, why not take the shafts apart and clean everything? Is it that big of a deal? It takes maybe half hour to dissassemble, clean, inspect, and re-assemble them.
It is not that big of a deal. No.

Originally Posted by Stine
Any monkey can split a case and slam some garbage together and call themself a transmission "rebuilder". Not many take pride in their work anymore, its all about how quick they can get it done.
I never said I excused them for not checking. I completely agree.
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Old Dec 30, 2010 | 01:21 AM
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Default Re: Trans Experts: Shop botched Quaife Install?

has one ever had to look into replacing or has ever serviced the brass inserts where the shifter poles sit at the base of the casing? i have yet to run into a worn part in this portion of a transmission.
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Old Dec 30, 2010 | 03:22 PM
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Oil holes dont need to be clogged for the shafts to get attention and be cleaned out. You see excessive amounts of metal/glittery oil? Strip the shafts. It is clear there are problems that need to be addressed, fixed, everything cleaned, and reassembled..

Originally Posted by sh!ft
has one ever had to look into replacing or has ever serviced the brass inserts where the shifter poles sit at the base of the casing? i have yet to run into a worn part in this portion of a transmission.
I as well have never seen any wear nor would expect wear on those bushings.

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Old Dec 30, 2010 | 05:14 PM
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Default Re: Trans Experts: Shop botched Quaife Install?

they might do it that way as an easy way to get the perfect clearances, not so much as a wear item.
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 06:45 AM
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wow that looks f'ed up, id call them to have them fix it right and if they dont tell them you will call the better busineess bureau. i dont care if i had a business iw ould try to make my work perfect and not half *** stuff to get it done and get money.
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