Tech / Misc Tech topics that don't seem to go elsewhere.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

When do you need a resistor box?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 03:56 PM
  #1  
Br1anPham's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,505
Likes: 1
From: San Jose, Ca, USA
Default When do you need a resistor box?

when is it that you need to use a injector resistor box?
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 04:39 PM
  #2  
Sliced Beard's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 7,383
Likes: 1
From: Charleston, SC
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (Br1anPham)

so you dont fry your ecu when using saturated injectors
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 05:52 PM
  #3  
Br1anPham's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,505
Likes: 1
From: San Jose, Ca, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (dirtyd463)

which injectors are saturated, and which are peak and hold? dang ima go search how i just got lazy as hell sorry.
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:03 PM
  #4  
acy76's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 881
Likes: 0
From: Twin Cities
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (Br1anPham)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dirtyd463 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so you dont fry your ecu when using saturated injectors</TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe you need the resistor box for peak/hold injectors, not for saturated. Lots of posts covering this.
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:15 PM
  #5  
hondatim's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 385
Likes: 0
From: Kansas City, MO, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (acy76)

acy76 is correct.....

Saturated: No resistor module
Peak and Hold: Needs resistor module
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:16 PM
  #6  
Sliced Beard's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 7,383
Likes: 1
From: Charleston, SC
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (hondatim)

sorry i had it backwards
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:20 PM
  #7  
Br1anPham's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,505
Likes: 1
From: San Jose, Ca, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (dirtyd463)

Is the d16z6 head off a del sol saturated or peak and hold? my head swap came with a resistor box but im not using it.
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 07:24 PM
  #8  
Br1anPham's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,505
Likes: 1
From: San Jose, Ca, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (Br1anPham)

last bump to se if i can get some help before i get some sleep.
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 08:39 PM
  #9  
Adam.'s Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 5,690
Likes: 0
From: 13.9 at 101.76mph, 2420lbs, FL, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (Br1anPham)

It doesn't have to do with your head. It has to do with the injectors. If you look to see if the donor car had a resistor box stock, then you will need one as well. I'm not sure whether or not your application has peak/hold or saturated injectors.

EDIT:: Just re-read your last post. Um, I would say you should put that thing on there pretty soon. From what I've heard you can run it for a bit without it, but you definitely risk frying your ECU. Exaclty the meaning of resistor... it lowers the voltage(or amps or ohms, i'm not sure) going back towards the ECU. The circuitry inside of the ECU isn't made to withstand it.

Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 11:31 PM
  #10  
4crx4me's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,329
Likes: 1
From: Greetings From Asbury Park,, NJ
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (DarkKnight[DMD])

This is the easy way to remember it. ALL OBD0 MPFI cars are the ONLY ones that NEED a resistor box. Any MPFI honda pre-1991
OBD1 and OBD2 do NOT. Any 1992 to present honda.
Then you dont have to remember which ones are saturated or vice versa
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2004 | 11:58 PM
  #11  
Br1anPham's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,505
Likes: 1
From: San Jose, Ca, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (4crx4me)

if i dont need a box and i use one, is there any harm, im going to try to use it but i dont even kno if i need it.
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2004 | 03:36 AM
  #12  
roots01's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
From: Miami, Fl, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (DarkKnight[DMD])

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">]EDIT:: Just re-read your last post. Um, I would say you should put that thing on there pretty soon. From what I've heard you can run it for a bit without it, but you definitely risk frying your ECU. Exaclty the meaning of resistor... it lowers the voltage(or amps or ohms, i'm not sure) going back towards the ECU. The circuitry inside of the ECU isn't made to withstand it.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

Resistors have a voltage drop. I thought that peak n hold injectors had lower resistance than saturated (around 2-3 while saturated is 12-13). The resistor box must drop the voltage coming from the ECU to the injectors.
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2004 | 06:45 AM
  #13  
Adam.'s Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 5,690
Likes: 0
From: 13.9 at 101.76mph, 2420lbs, FL, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (4crx4me)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4crx4me &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is the easy way to remember it. ALL OBD0 MPFI cars are the ONLY ones that NEED a resistor box. Any MPFI honda pre-1991
OBD1 and OBD2 do NOT. Any 1992 to present honda.
Then you dont have to remember which ones are saturated or vice versa</TD></TR></TABLE>

If this is true then why do you get a resistor box with a 92-95 h22a complete swap? And why is it in the car from the factory?
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2004 | 12:59 PM
  #14  
4crx4me's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,329
Likes: 1
From: Greetings From Asbury Park,, NJ
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (DarkKnight[DMD])

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">]

If this is true then why do you get a resistor box with a 92-95 h22a complete swap? And why is it in the car from the factory?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't know. Are you sure the engines are gray plug OBD1? And not OBD0?
I have read OBD1 and OBD2 do not need the resistor box.
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2004 | 02:56 PM
  #15  
civicsitek GanGsTa's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,529
Likes: 0
From: Spokane, WA, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (4crx4me)

My h22 civic uses a resisitor box.
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2004 | 02:58 PM
  #16  
Br1anPham's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,505
Likes: 1
From: San Jose, Ca, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (civicsitek GanGsTa)

does anyone know about a del sol 95 d16z6 injectors?
Reply
Old Jan 27, 2004 | 05:52 PM
  #17  
roots01's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
From: Miami, Fl, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (4crx4me)

To find out if you need a resistor box just measure the resistance between the pins on the injector and see what they read. If they read low (2-3 ohms) then you need a resistor box. If there high (12-13 ohms) then you don't. I believe that OBD0 civics need resistor boxes.
Reply
Old Jan 28, 2004 | 08:27 AM
  #18  
EE_Chris's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,611
Likes: 3
From: Severn, MD
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (Br1anPham)

Why guess?

Grab a multi-meter and measure the injector coil resistance.

If it = 3-4ohms, you have peak/hold and NEED a resistor box.

If it = 12-16ohms, you have saturated and do not need the box.

You gotta step back for a second and ask yourself "Hmm...this engine came to me with a resistor box...perhaps the seller DID have peak/hold injectors installed"

Why did you not bother putting the resistor box back in anyway?
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2004 | 07:54 PM
  #19  
InjectedPerformance's Avatar
We sell parts.
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,063
Likes: 0
From: Lexington, KY
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (EE_Chris)

You guys are totally right.... I have a question. You know on the the injector harness... There is a comon positve or negative vice versa not sure which one is which. But as long as you get the main color wire solder (the four different wire colors). The ecu will know what injector to fire...right. I am anly asking because i have an injector box and was was wondering if the comon needs to be set as 1234 because i notice 4 comon at the resistor box. I would think it does not matter. Does any one have a pinout out at the injector box?
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2004 | 08:16 PM
  #20  
InjectedPerformance's Avatar
We sell parts.
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,063
Likes: 0
From: Lexington, KY
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (primo8998)

I will be even clearer...I got a 96 jdm h22, which is going into a 94 accord. Of course the 96 has high impedance injectors. I cut the injector/alternator harness off, so i can use the jdm one to have a more stock look. The injector box does not know which one is common in an order...correct. It just throws a signal with no speccific fireing order right.
Reply
Old Mar 9, 2004 | 09:09 AM
  #21  
alfee's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 833
Likes: 0
From: Fresno, CA, USA
Default Re: When do you need a resistor box? (primo8998)

does it matter what year resistor box it is? example, 88-89 crx si box in a 95 gsr? or is it just plug n play dont matter?
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
boosted96teg
Tech / Misc
4
Mar 15, 2008 06:35 AM
deucedeuceEK
Forced Induction
3
Oct 30, 2007 04:35 PM
jdmray
Forced Induction
2
Oct 23, 2007 06:18 PM
Adam West
Forced Induction
13
Dec 9, 2005 07:16 AM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:41 AM.