<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and again, why would anyone go with a "FULLY BUILT" ls/vtec setup that costs thousands of dollars, when you can go with a gsr block instead?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by simple &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">810 and my block is built....and it will last 30k if broken in right and tuned right. even with bs ctr cams and hondata and a good header this motor will make goo power......maybe even 200+ with a gsr head. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

What the heck makes the LSVTEC so unreliable to some people? Is this coming from people that built one wrong or know someone that built one wrong? Personally I am building one the right way and not cutting any corners on this engine. Someone breaks a rod cuz they didn't have the rods checked for straightness or didn't have the rod beams balanced. Someone doesn't get new bearings and wonders why the engine blew. Someone revs it up too high and cracks the cylinder walls and could've got a block guard. Someone has bottom end failure cuz they didn't have the bottom end balanced. Did I cover all of the problems or did I miss something? (I know there is more to some of these examples, but that is too much to right)

 

Blockguard Sleeving
The downside... Sleeving ='s a little more $$$$
Just my $0.02

 

I only said block guard cuz I am trying to keep the budget down, but that would be a contradiction since I said "I am not cutting any corners." Does sleeving make the engine more reliable? How much does it usually cost? Where do I get the sleeves?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did I cover all of the problems or did I miss something? (I know there is more to some of these examples, but that is too much to right)</TD></TR></TABLE>
missing crank girdle
just a side note: a girdle doesn't make the bottom end stronger, it just distributes the load. You wouldn't want one bearing wearing out faster than the others. With the girdle installed correctly, the bearings will wear out more evenly.

 

Golden Eagle is what I mainly use... ~$800... O-ringing is normally another $200... Latez

 

Do I really need to do that if all I want is 200whp?

 

Like I said, power = money, how fast do you really want to go and for how long?

 

Like I said, I only want 200 whp and I want it to last a long time.

 

Oil Squirter Location...You Dont Need them!

 

I hate to bring this topic back up, but what is the best cable tranny to use with the ls/vtec? Planning on revving it to about 8500rpm.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> forget about that forged stuff.

-micropolish, ballance ur b18 crank
-get .25 overbore ctr pistons
-shot peen rods
- ballance whole bottomend
- b16a head
- ITR valvetrain
-Itr cams
-itr oil and water pumps
-skunk camgears
-aem short ram or j's racing intake
-JDM ITR header with 2.5in exaust
- tune with hondata

190whp easily if built properly
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my friends B20 has High Compression Forged Pistons. we took his block apart last week because he spun a bearing. i looked at his pistons and it looks like there were pieces of metal bouncing on the pistons. this was detonation because of improper tuning when he first built the motor.
my point is that CTR pistons will yield a high compression and if he would've had CTR pistons, they probably would have cracked because of the detenation. you previously asked about a reliable LS/VTEC, get forged pistons.

although i personally don't think that LS/VTEC's last. i don't know one person in the NY area that street races on occasion and has had a LS/VTEC for more then 1 year. everyone says that it has to be built and tuned properly. i think they only say that because THEY WANT YOUR MONEY. i don't expect a race motor to last forever but DAMN, these guys are always blowing up.

no, i don't want to put my money where my mouth is and i'm not trying to offend anyone. i'm stating what i've seen.

i have a friend who has been building his LS/VTEC with quality parts and has taken all the precautions to build his motor "properly" (ie, balancing, bore, hone, polished crank, blueprint, new bearings, etc.). i hope he is the one that proves me wrong because a lot of time, money and love (haha) has been put into the motor. i guess i'll have to wait and see.....

 

A can of whoop ***!!

 

w/ a little gnaze too!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Killer_B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

my friends B20 has High Compression Forged Pistons. we took his block apart last week because he spun a bearing. i looked at his pistons and it looks like there were pieces of metal bouncing on the pistons. this was detonation because of improper tuning when he first built the motor.
my point is that CTR pistons will yield a high compression and if he would've had CTR pistons, they probably would have cracked because of the detenation. you previously asked about a reliable LS/VTEC, get forged pistons.

although i personally don't think that LS/VTEC's last. i don't know one person in the NY area that street races on occasion and has had a LS/VTEC for more then 1 year. everyone says that it has to be built and tuned properly. i think they only say that because THEY WANT YOUR MONEY. i don't expect a race motor to last forever but DAMN, these guys are always blowing up.

no, i don't want to put my money where my mouth is and i'm not trying to offend anyone. i'm stating what i've seen.

i have a friend who has been building his LS/VTEC with quality parts and has taken all the precautions to build his motor "properly" (ie, balancing, bore, hone, polished crank, blueprint, new bearings, etc.). i hope he is the one that proves me wrong because a lot of time, money and love (haha) has been put into the motor. i guess i'll have to wait and see.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
they last if you DO build it right and tune it properly...your friend is right, youre not..

 

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they last if you DO build it right and tune it properly...your friend is right, youre not..</TD></TR></TABLE>

if have heard that a million times. i know of a couple of well known shops in NY that build Ls/Vtecs knowing that they will not last. they tell the same tale, "build it right and it will last".
i've heard that Booga of BITS Racing has a guarantee on the motor he builds. i don't know if it's true but that is something i would look into if i wanted an Ls/Vtec.