Besides the 5 lug dia and calipers more ABS wise. MC same dia? Proportioning the same? i already have Type R supsension now i want the braking minus the 5 lug. can i swap out my ABS for type R ABS if there is a difference.

 

The proportioning valve is definitely different. It's a different part number, and gives the car a way different feel. (Tail happy) I believe the master cylinder is larger too. I'm not sure if the ABS parts are the same, but they should be. If I remember tommorow I'll check in the parts computer.

 

awesome thanks a lot bro, h-t is the ****!

 

the MC/booster between GSR & ITR are EXACTLY the same. They both use a 1" MC and the booster is the same ****. The only thing that changed was the resivour cup design that holds the brake fluid.

as far as the prop valve goes, you can stick to your GSR prop valve, there's really no big difference when swapping prop valves from my past experience, at least.

 

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Your past experience must not include driving a type r. I drove one the other week and the feeling on the brakes is very different. It has more rear bias, so that even in a straight line under hard braking, the rear will step out about 6" to one side and hang there. I've never felt any other integra do that. Now this may have to do with the brake sizes and whatnot, but the proportioning valves being different makes me think there's something going on there.

I didn't know the master cylinders were the same, thats good to know. For some reason I thought it was 1 1/16", but oh well. That makes my dreams of a type r master cylinder that much closer to becoming true. I hate honda brakes.

 

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Your past experience must not include driving a type r. I drove one the other week and the feeling on the brakes is very different. It has more rear bias, so that even in a straight line under hard braking, the rear will step out about 6" to one side and hang there. I've never felt any other integra do that. Now this may have to do with the brake sizes and whatnot, but the proportioning valves being different makes me think there's something going on there.
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In this braking impression of yours, what are you comparing Type-R braking to? other 94-01 integra non Type-R models? civics?

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yup same ****.
Honda brakes are pretty damn good, IMO, if you do the right setup on your car. Especially if you're a civic owner converting over to integra brakes (whether it be 4lug or 5lug) along with an integra 1" MC+Booster. Using the 1" integra MC/booster is the key in having more senstive brake pedal. The prop valve is up to you to use, but integra prop valves are incompatible (last i checked) with civics.

 

That comparison is between the type r and every other honda i've driven, which is every one you'll find sold in the us. GSRs, S2000s, NSXs, none of them felt like the type r. I did drift an MDX, but thats was with a lot of steering input. The type r definitely had more rear bias, however they did it.

As far as honda brakes go, my 91 crx si brakes are pathetic, even for such a small car. I warped brand new rotors in a matter of hours. My point is that stock honda brakes on any given car are probably too small for it, especially when you start to add power and speed. My *dream is nsx brakes, type r master cylinder. The master cylinder is first, and i'm leaving my proportioning valve as is. On the track I have enough fun keeping the back behind the front. The pedal is mushy when cold, and worse when hot. It always stops, it just feels like **** doing it.

 

i heard the type R has a better ABS set-up then regular integras is this true?

 

Okey dokey, I wore out the computers in the parts department today to discover:

All 98-01 Integras have the same brake booster and master cylinder
All 98-01 Integras with ABS have the same ABS modulator.
The Integra Type R has a unique proportioning valve.
The Legend GS and the NSX do not have the same front calipers; the GS has bigger pistons.
3.2TLs, Legents, Integra Type Rs, Prelude VTECs and a ton of other stuff share the same front pads.
The 3.2TL rotors have the same pad, but different rotor diameter which, unfortunately, won't fit a 15" wheel.
An integra master cylinder won't bolt to my booster.

 

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The Legend GS and the NSX do not have the same front calipers; the GS has bigger pistons.
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interesting info.
The legend may have a bigger piston, but the NSX caliper is dual pot/piston.

 

Oh no no, the Legend GS has dual pistons, 38mm and 42mm I think, and the NSX has 36mm and 40mm pistons.