Torn between D and B series
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Torn between D and B series
Hey guys-
I'm a sol owner and I'm torn between the 2 worlds of d series and b series motors. I searched on some stuff, but didn't find much. My idea is to completely build a motor from the ground up, full bulletproofing, massive boost. I'm trying to figure out if it would be better to run a B16a or a D16z6. The thing I was searching about is if the D16z6 has just as much power potential as the B16a...The z6 is cheaper, and I think it might be sweet to be boosting 30+ psi on a D16. Anybody got any input on block strength, engine potential, parts availability, etc? Any input is appreciated, but no flaming please
I'm a sol owner and I'm torn between the 2 worlds of d series and b series motors. I searched on some stuff, but didn't find much. My idea is to completely build a motor from the ground up, full bulletproofing, massive boost. I'm trying to figure out if it would be better to run a B16a or a D16z6. The thing I was searching about is if the D16z6 has just as much power potential as the B16a...The z6 is cheaper, and I think it might be sweet to be boosting 30+ psi on a D16. Anybody got any input on block strength, engine potential, parts availability, etc? Any input is appreciated, but no flaming please
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Re: Torn between D and B series (hybridvteceg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridvteceg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well its more of a question bout how torn you are between your wallet and its' money</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats right!
the other thing is that seeing how the guy owns a featherweight DELSOL, I'd say he's better off with a B-series engine to lug that leaded beast around.
thats right!
the other thing is that seeing how the guy owns a featherweight DELSOL, I'd say he's better off with a B-series engine to lug that leaded beast around.
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Re: Torn between D and B series (Katman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Katman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
he's better off with a B-series engine to lug that leaded beast around.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he's better off with a B-series engine to lug that leaded beast around.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Torn between D and B series (Del_Slo_1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by silverb18 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ohh yea 30+ psi..................lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
Umm...I know 2 people that are doing it right now. Plus, don't you read Honda Tuning? There's an article called Teggy Time- Integra that runs 25 psi on pump gas. Don't flame on fact you're unsure of. Not being an a$$hole, just tellin' ya how it is.
For those who said GS-R or LS, I'm not interested in those. I want VTEC, so LS is out. GS-R is too expensive for my taste to start with. I chose B16a and D16Z6 because full B16a swap is $1950, and full Z6 swaps can be as cheap as $500. Anybody know if a Z6 can make just as much hp & torque that a B16a can make? Unless, of course, someone wants to sell a GS-R swap for less than $1000...I wish
Umm...I know 2 people that are doing it right now. Plus, don't you read Honda Tuning? There's an article called Teggy Time- Integra that runs 25 psi on pump gas. Don't flame on fact you're unsure of. Not being an a$$hole, just tellin' ya how it is.
For those who said GS-R or LS, I'm not interested in those. I want VTEC, so LS is out. GS-R is too expensive for my taste to start with. I chose B16a and D16Z6 because full B16a swap is $1950, and full Z6 swaps can be as cheap as $500. Anybody know if a Z6 can make just as much hp & torque that a B16a can make? Unless, of course, someone wants to sell a GS-R swap for less than $1000...I wish
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Re: Torn between D and B series (Del_Slo_1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Del_Slo_1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Umm...I know 2 people that are doing it right now. Plus, don't you read Honda Tuning? There's an article called Teggy Time- Integra that runs 25 psi on pump gas. Don't flame on fact you're unsure of. Not being an a$$hole, just tellin' ya how it is.
For those who said GS-R or LS, I'm not interested in those. I want VTEC, so LS is out. GS-R is too expensive for my taste to start with. I chose B16a and D16Z6 because full B16a swap is $1950, and full Z6 swaps can be as cheap as $500. Anybody know if a Z6 can make just as much hp & torque that a B16a can make? Unless, of course, someone wants to sell a GS-R swap for less than $1000...I wish </TD></TR></TABLE>
So what you telling me is that its hard for you to spend 3K for a gsr swap now and you want to build your motor to handle 30psi of boost...
wow
Umm...I know 2 people that are doing it right now. Plus, don't you read Honda Tuning? There's an article called Teggy Time- Integra that runs 25 psi on pump gas. Don't flame on fact you're unsure of. Not being an a$$hole, just tellin' ya how it is.
For those who said GS-R or LS, I'm not interested in those. I want VTEC, so LS is out. GS-R is too expensive for my taste to start with. I chose B16a and D16Z6 because full B16a swap is $1950, and full Z6 swaps can be as cheap as $500. Anybody know if a Z6 can make just as much hp & torque that a B16a can make? Unless, of course, someone wants to sell a GS-R swap for less than $1000...I wish
</TD></TR></TABLE>So what you telling me is that its hard for you to spend 3K for a gsr swap now and you want to build your motor to handle 30psi of boost...
wow
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Re: Torn between D and B series (silverb18)
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So what you telling me is that its hard for you to spend 3K for a gsr swap now and you want to build your motor to handle 30psi of boost...
wow </TD></TR></TABLE>
regardless of my boost levels, the motor will be bulletproofed. the only thing i wanted to know is if the D16Z6 can make as much power as B16a, because it's cheaper to start with. Why spend a thousand+ more when you can have the same power out of a cheaper motor?
So what you telling me is that its hard for you to spend 3K for a gsr swap now and you want to build your motor to handle 30psi of boost...
wow </TD></TR></TABLE>
regardless of my boost levels, the motor will be bulletproofed. the only thing i wanted to know is if the D16Z6 can make as much power as B16a, because it's cheaper to start with. Why spend a thousand+ more when you can have the same power out of a cheaper motor?
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Re: Torn between D and B series (Del_Slo_1)
well the thing with d vs b is that you want to boost it and of course the d can make as much power as a b but it will require more boost, for example if you want to equal the hp of a b boosted to 20psi, thne you might have to boost the d to 27psi just to match the hp
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Re: Torn between D and B series (civickiller)
what he said^^
what it mainly comes down to is what size turbo you get and what else you have done. a lot of people make the argument that the b series engines are a lot stronger, from tranny to sleeves to pistons and head. if you're gonna run that much boost, you're gonna need to replace almost all the parts of either engine, so that argument is outta the question.
i think a better question to ask yourself though is what kind of power you're looking for. if you decide to build your head and block and throw an sc61 turbo on there, i doubt you're ever gonna need to run 30lbs with either engine. if you're maxing out both engines, the b series will always be on top though, so keep that in mind.
i have a d16y8 with a built block and just a greddy kit (for now), but i'm planning to get a much larger turbo and see what power i can make at 1 bar with a 60-1
what it mainly comes down to is what size turbo you get and what else you have done. a lot of people make the argument that the b series engines are a lot stronger, from tranny to sleeves to pistons and head. if you're gonna run that much boost, you're gonna need to replace almost all the parts of either engine, so that argument is outta the question.
i think a better question to ask yourself though is what kind of power you're looking for. if you decide to build your head and block and throw an sc61 turbo on there, i doubt you're ever gonna need to run 30lbs with either engine. if you're maxing out both engines, the b series will always be on top though, so keep that in mind.
i have a d16y8 with a built block and just a greddy kit (for now), but i'm planning to get a much larger turbo and see what power i can make at 1 bar with a 60-1
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oh...a few more things to keep in mind. d series parts, from the dealer or aftermarket, are 99% of the time cheaper and easier to come by the b series parts. also, timing marks are much easier to line up with the d. the engines and trannys are lighter.
and finally. YOU GET MORE RESPECT WHEN YOU MOP THE FLOOR WITH SOMEONE AND THEN POP THE HOOD AND REVEAL A "D".
and finally. YOU GET MORE RESPECT WHEN YOU MOP THE FLOOR WITH SOMEONE AND THEN POP THE HOOD AND REVEAL A "D".
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Re: (civickiller)
My ultimate HP goal is 500 at the wheels. I might not get there, but I want AT LEAST 350. I know 500 is a stretch for any motor, but it can be done. No matter what motor I choose, it will be completely maxed. Block will be sleeved and guarded, eagle rods, je pistons (7.5:1?), etc. Head will have new valves, springs, retainers, cam(s), cam gears if necessary. Head will be completely ported/polished with 3 angle valve grind, port matched intake/exhaust manifolds.
As I said before, 500 is a stretch. I'm looking to cruise the streets daily driving at 15psi, 25psi when specifically racing (at the track and what-not). Planning on topping off with a bit of nitrous (not a lot--as you all know, a little bit o' nitrous on boost can go a long way).
With that said, bring on more opinions/questions/ideas. Everything is appreciated...for the most part.
As I said before, 500 is a stretch. I'm looking to cruise the streets daily driving at 15psi, 25psi when specifically racing (at the track and what-not). Planning on topping off with a bit of nitrous (not a lot--as you all know, a little bit o' nitrous on boost can go a long way).
With that said, bring on more opinions/questions/ideas. Everything is appreciated...for the most part.
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Re: (Del_Slo_1)
well i know someoen over here runnin a gsr at 22psi that is at 500whp. i bet if you built your b16 right you could be pretty close if not break 500whp at 25psi. but with the sohc vtec youd have to boost it to around 32 psi to get the same hp.
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The only reasons I can think of for building a D series are:
1. For the hell of it.
2. Because you are in a racing class that restricts power output and you want the lightest car possible.
3. Because you're dirt poor.
I'm actually in the process of putting together a turbo minime...just for the hell of it.
1. For the hell of it.
2. Because you are in a racing class that restricts power output and you want the lightest car possible.
3. Because you're dirt poor.
I'm actually in the process of putting together a turbo minime...just for the hell of it.
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I'm going to be boosting the d this winter...
I would suggest 8.0:1 minimum for the pistons because after you add the headgasket, you'll probably be a little lower than that already.. and you really don't want a wimp of a motor when off of boost. I would do an 8.5:1 or possibly even a 9.0:1 if you are going to run standalone and can tune it well.
I would suggest 8.0:1 minimum for the pistons because after you add the headgasket, you'll probably be a little lower than that already.. and you really don't want a wimp of a motor when off of boost. I would do an 8.5:1 or possibly even a 9.0:1 if you are going to run standalone and can tune it well.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kendall »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only reasons I can think of for building a D series are:
1. For the hell of it.
2. Because you are in a racing class that restricts power output and you want the lightest car possible.
3. Because you're dirt poor.
</TD></TR></TABLE> lol, I'll choose #1 and #3 for this summer please... thank you
1. For the hell of it.
2. Because you are in a racing class that restricts power output and you want the lightest car possible.
3. Because you're dirt poor.
</TD></TR></TABLE> lol, I'll choose #1 and #3 for this summer please... thank you
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Re: (owen_the_soyboy)
dude check your local insurance autp auctions and see if they got any salvageable si or gsr's. thats what i did i was patient and snagged a whole 95 gsr for like 1,000 bucks. hella worth it man. research fist then if not go and buy a b16 i say go with the b and out with the d. i dunno i dont have anything against the d series i just like DOHC VTEC. IMO.
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Re: Torn between D and B series (Del_Slo_1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Del_Slo_1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Umm...I know 2 people that are doing it right now. Plus, don't you read Honda Tuning? There's an article called Teggy Time- Integra that runs 25 psi on pump gas. Don't flame on fact you're unsure of. Not being an a$$hole, just tellin' ya how it is.
For those who said GS-R or LS, I'm not interested in those. I want VTEC, so LS is out. GS-R is too expensive for my taste to start with. I chose B16a and D16Z6 because full B16a swap is $1950, and full Z6 swaps can be as cheap as $500. Anybody know if a Z6 can make just as much hp & torque that a B16a can make? Unless, of course, someone wants to sell a GS-R swap for less than $1000...I wish </TD></TR></TABLE>
dude u dont need vtec when ur goin full 30lbs of boost if u ever hit 30lbs ull have so much power u wont even know what to do with it if i were u id get an ls cheap as hell for turbo and spare parts are equally cheap. vtec is overrated if ur goin for boost however if ur goin all motor like me then vtec is def the way to go
Umm...I know 2 people that are doing it right now. Plus, don't you read Honda Tuning? There's an article called Teggy Time- Integra that runs 25 psi on pump gas. Don't flame on fact you're unsure of. Not being an a$$hole, just tellin' ya how it is.
For those who said GS-R or LS, I'm not interested in those. I want VTEC, so LS is out. GS-R is too expensive for my taste to start with. I chose B16a and D16Z6 because full B16a swap is $1950, and full Z6 swaps can be as cheap as $500. Anybody know if a Z6 can make just as much hp & torque that a B16a can make? Unless, of course, someone wants to sell a GS-R swap for less than $1000...I wish
</TD></TR></TABLE>dude u dont need vtec when ur goin full 30lbs of boost if u ever hit 30lbs ull have so much power u wont even know what to do with it if i were u id get an ls cheap as hell for turbo and spare parts are equally cheap. vtec is overrated if ur goin for boost however if ur goin all motor like me then vtec is def the way to go