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okay. mine is so bad that i have to turn the car off to put in gear. now, it seems to shift fine otherwise. is it safe to drive?? other than having a problem getting it into gear from a stand still, should it be okay to drive/shift into other gears? i'd really like to get some base runs at the track. no crazy shifting.. just kinda quick. what do you guys think? will it just stop on me altogether? may it get to the point where it won't even shift after i start moving?
i need to know in the next two hours hahahaha
any help??
i need to know in the next two hours hahahaha
any help??
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i figured TO 'cause when the car is in neutral the tires still spin. when i push in the clutch it sometimes makes a grinding noise.. when the clutch is in (no matter how far) i can't get into first gear.. sometimes can't get it into ANY gear. the other day it shifted FINE from a start and ALL gears. i was told it was my TO so i can only assume they were right.
could it be something else?
could it be something else?
yeah check to make sure your shift linkage isnt all binded up and check to see if you have clutch fluid in your slave cylinder next to your brake fluid reseviuor. IT could be the throwout bearing is it making any noises mine did. It may be hard to shift like you have to put it into another gear then shift it?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When the engine is off can you shift into all gears?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup. that's exactly how i got it home
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah check to make sure your shift linkage isnt all binded up and check to see if you have clutch fluid in your slave cylinder next to your brake fluid reseviuor. IT could be the throwout bearing is it making any noises mine did. It may be hard to shift like you have to put it into another gear then shift it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
how do i check shift linkage? the fluid reservoir is the small next to the brake fluied reservoir? (for lack of better term). all this time and i have yet to have needed to mess with anything tranny related. you all will have to forgive my ignorance. i'm out to check the fluid right now.
it makes noise while the car is running and i push in the clutch. if i get it moving then take it out of gear as i slow down, i can hear the clutch, flywheel, or SOMETHING spinning to a stop( scrapescrapescrapescrape scrape scrape.... scrape.... scrape...............scrape...................scra pe). i've never been in one of these trannys so i'm not sure how else to explain it. sorry.
yup. that's exactly how i got it home
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah check to make sure your shift linkage isnt all binded up and check to see if you have clutch fluid in your slave cylinder next to your brake fluid reseviuor. IT could be the throwout bearing is it making any noises mine did. It may be hard to shift like you have to put it into another gear then shift it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
how do i check shift linkage? the fluid reservoir is the small next to the brake fluied reservoir? (for lack of better term). all this time and i have yet to have needed to mess with anything tranny related. you all will have to forgive my ignorance. i'm out to check the fluid right now.
it makes noise while the car is running and i push in the clutch. if i get it moving then take it out of gear as i slow down, i can hear the clutch, flywheel, or SOMETHING spinning to a stop( scrapescrapescrapescrape scrape scrape.... scrape.... scrape...............scrape...................scra pe). i've never been in one of these trannys so i'm not sure how else to explain it. sorry.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kaj »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i figured TO 'cause when the car is in neutral the tires still spin. when i push in the clutch it sometimes makes a grinding noise.. when the clutch is in (no matter how far) i can't get into first gear.. sometimes can't get it into ANY gear. the other day it shifted FINE from a start and ALL gears. i was told it was my TO so i can only assume they were right.
could it be something else?
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You could have busted springs in your clutch disc.
could it be something else?
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You could have busted springs in your clutch disc.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When the engine is off can you shift into all gears?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, with the engine off. The tranny shifts fine.
With the engine running and clutch is in. He can't get it into gear.
That was on Sat.
He parked the car for a few days. Then drove it on Tuesday and the car shifted fine all-day?
Yes, with the engine off. The tranny shifts fine.
With the engine running and clutch is in. He can't get it into gear.
That was on Sat.
He parked the car for a few days. Then drove it on Tuesday and the car shifted fine all-day?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kaj »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a six-puck ACT on the way.. i guess that should solve any problems i have.. i just needed my car tonight
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Cool, let us know what you find out.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Cool, let us know what you find out.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You could have busted springs in your clutch disc.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If that was the case. I'm sure it would make quite abit of noise with either the clutch in or out? Wouldn't you think?
Like Kaj explained it... It makes a noise like this.
scrape..scrape....scrape....scrape..........scrape ................scrape
Then it goes away until the next time the clutch is disengaged and engaged again.
You could have busted springs in your clutch disc.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If that was the case. I'm sure it would make quite abit of noise with either the clutch in or out? Wouldn't you think?
Like Kaj explained it... It makes a noise like this.
scrape..scrape....scrape....scrape..........scrape ................scrape
Then it goes away until the next time the clutch is disengaged and engaged again.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You could have busted springs in your clutch disc.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yep, thats what it sounds like to me. Either that or the area around the clutch spring is breaking.
Kaj, when it fully breaks you will not be able to shift gears anymore. You need a new clutch disc.
You could have busted springs in your clutch disc.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yep, thats what it sounds like to me. Either that or the area around the clutch spring is breaking.
Kaj, when it fully breaks you will not be able to shift gears anymore. You need a new clutch disc.
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just drove it again and it shifted just fine. crazy
again, new clutch on the way.
i'll let ya'll know what i find when we pull it.. for future reference.
again, new clutch on the way.
i'll let ya'll know what i find when we pull it.. for future reference.
Is the pedal any harder to push than normal? If not it could be the hydraulics, if harder it could be a broken spring.
If it works OK sometimes, check the hydraulics. Get the old fluid out of the master cylinder, put in new fluid, and bleed the system. I had an MR2 that would not release right when it was cold out and was fine when warmer. Flushed the clutch hydraulics and it was fine.
However, it could very well be a broken spring from the center of the clutch disc. If it falls into the pressure plate, the plate will be jambed. It may have come loose and unjambed the clutch. This will probably be temporary and it could jamb up again any time.
If it works OK sometimes, check the hydraulics. Get the old fluid out of the master cylinder, put in new fluid, and bleed the system. I had an MR2 that would not release right when it was cold out and was fine when warmer. Flushed the clutch hydraulics and it was fine.
However, it could very well be a broken spring from the center of the clutch disc. If it falls into the pressure plate, the plate will be jambed. It may have come loose and unjambed the clutch. This will probably be temporary and it could jamb up again any time.
yeah the spring in the clutch thingky the same thing happened to my pops when he used to drive my moms tracker cause of gas price ranges here in newyork. When either one breaks it just ceases to shift when you have the car on when its off it goes in easy somewhat but not as rough. BUt its the release/throw-out bearing without that be expectin to tear junk up if you dont get it changed immediately. Thats the reason why i want my own garage.
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well, here's the update:
car has been shifting FINE all this time. when we drove to our friends house to do the clutch (that i received 7 days late) it started making noise again.
*whew* just in time!
installed ACT hd six-puck
clutch i pulled out looks BRAND NEW.
throwout bearing was a bit "gooed" up. not too clean, but looked okay. the lever for it seemed fine.
flywheel looked great.
pilot bearing had a bit of damage to one of the seals. just a dent in the metal shield, under the rubber. nothing major.
first time ryan_autry OR i have changed a clutch. everything went pretty smooth 'cept the infamous pin that holds the shift linkage to the tranny. apparently they guy that put in the Exedy i was running didn't think to buy a new $2 pin. we could not get it out. we drilled, hammered, etc. then gave up. i just disconnected it from the shifter.
other than that it all went fine! started car, shifts nicely. the pedal travel is a bit weird (engages about 1 1/2" from the floor.. real quick).
not sure we got all the bolts torqued right as i had some mis-information (33ftlbs for the tranny bolt near the starter, 42ftlbs for the rest... apparently they are ALL different? anyway..)
we could not find an obvious problem that would have caused me to not be able to shift.. but it seems fine again for now.
we hoped we would learn what caused it in case any other people had the same problem...
we'll see how it goes. thanks, all for your help!
car has been shifting FINE all this time. when we drove to our friends house to do the clutch (that i received 7 days late) it started making noise again.
*whew* just in time!
installed ACT hd six-puck
clutch i pulled out looks BRAND NEW.
throwout bearing was a bit "gooed" up. not too clean, but looked okay. the lever for it seemed fine.
flywheel looked great.
pilot bearing had a bit of damage to one of the seals. just a dent in the metal shield, under the rubber. nothing major.
first time ryan_autry OR i have changed a clutch. everything went pretty smooth 'cept the infamous pin that holds the shift linkage to the tranny. apparently they guy that put in the Exedy i was running didn't think to buy a new $2 pin. we could not get it out. we drilled, hammered, etc. then gave up. i just disconnected it from the shifter.
other than that it all went fine! started car, shifts nicely. the pedal travel is a bit weird (engages about 1 1/2" from the floor.. real quick).
not sure we got all the bolts torqued right as i had some mis-information (33ftlbs for the tranny bolt near the starter, 42ftlbs for the rest... apparently they are ALL different? anyway..)
we could not find an obvious problem that would have caused me to not be able to shift.. but it seems fine again for now.
we hoped we would learn what caused it in case any other people had the same problem...
we'll see how it goes. thanks, all for your help!
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definitely. if it DOES come back.. i have no idea what my next step will be other than to buy a new tranny and pull the old one apart.....
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