i'm building a full race d series y8. and i wanted to know if they make a stroker kit for it? any help would be greatly appreciated

 

anyone?

 

39 ppl looked at this thread and no one know's anything, lol

 

:::BUMP:::

i wanna know too

 

Not to be a punk, but the best "stroker kit" would be to just pony up and buy a b series.

And since I can't actually answer you question with anything useful, free bump.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TunerN00b &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to be a punk, but the best "stroker kit" would be to just pony up and buy a b series.

And since I can't actually answer you question with anything useful, free bump.</TD></TR></TABLE>

your not being a punk bro, i'm going with a d series cause everyone has a b series motor. i'm just trying to prove that a d series is as powerful as a b series.

 

Did you check Crower?

You can stroke using a D17.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you check Crower?

You can stroke using a D17.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not sure ive ever herd of a D17 what does that come in?

 

i'm still looking

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hks85 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not sure ive ever herd of a D17 what does that come in?</TD></TR></TABLE>

'01-'04 Civic EX and LX.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

'01-'04 Civic EX and LX.</TD></TR></TABLE>

those cranks could prove to be a hot item

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

'01-'04 Civic EX and LX.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm not sure that those cranks would fit into a 00 y8 block.

does anyone know any aftermarket manufacture's that makes stroker kits for d series motors?

 

Does a B18 crank fit in a B16? Of course it does. So why wouldn't a D17 crank fit into a D16? Then there's the fact that people have already done it. Check on D-Series.org.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by project89sicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i'm just trying to prove that a d series is as powerful as a b series. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's not. Don't fight the facts.

Aside from that, this topic is a non-issue if you understand engine theory. Stroking a D16 is a very shitty idea. The B16's have a larger bore and a smaller stroke. Consequently, they rev higher and make less torque than a D16. The D16 has a smaller bore and a larger stroke. That's why they don't rev as high, yet make more torque than B16's.

However, since the ultimate goal in import tuning is to take advantage of the high hp that comes from high revs, you will learn that the highest hp D-series motors have been de-stroked from 1.6L to 1.5L. Take a gander at the SOHC's that are in the 600whp range - most of them are 1.5 liters.

Bottom line: if you're going to spend time and money on your motor, make sure you're taking a step forward, not backwards. The downfall of the D16 motor:

1. Poorly flowing head
2. Non-ideal R/S ratio


Short stroke = more revs = more power. If you want more displacement, get an overbore. Even still, there is a point of diminishing returns when doing an overbore (I've yet to discover the magical bore size). You want to run the largest bore possible without weakening the sleeves to the point where you have to run less boost or worry about tuning. Personally, I wouldn't go over ~79mm. Of course, this is all assuming you have a sleeved motor. Definitely don't try to bore extra displacement out of stock sleeves.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does a B18 crank fit in a B16? Of course it does. So why wouldn't a D17 crank fit into a D16? Then there's the fact that people have already done it. Check on D-Series.org.</TD></TR></TABLE>
nope it wont even though they are the same series the piston to deck height will be wrong. unless its a jdm b16b then the b18 crank would fit. i already know that the 01-04 crank will not fit in a 92-00 d series motor.

 

BTW, the D17 motor is a brick of ****. Apparently the engineers at Honda felt that the shitty R/S of the D16 could be made even worse, so they decided to increase the stroke from 90mm to 94.4mm which changed the old D16 r/s from 1.52 to about 1.45

The r/s should ideally be closer to 1.75. The D15's have a 1.6 R/S which is better than all the other D-series motors.

I'm guessing Honda only did that to to try to spruce up an aging motor. From the outside, it looks all good - HP stayed the same (127bhp) but tq rose from 107lbs to 114lbs. Looks good, right? A few extra ft-lbs for the new 7th gen civics. Now let's look at the repurcussion:

D16 v-tec: 127bhp @ 6600rpm / 107tq @ 5500
D17 v-tec: 127bhp @ 6300rpm / 114tq @ 4400

So they gained a few measly ft-lbs of tq, but at what cost - peak power fell a whopping 300rpms, down to 6300. 6300?! Who wants a piece of **** motor that dies off at 6300? If you want power, you need either displacement (think v-8's) or revs (think B16's). This D17 atrocity has neither. Good going Honda, you sellouts. Take your 1.45 R/S and GTFO!

 

I hear people who say they've done it, but according to wikipedia.org, D17 cranks will not fit in D16's for one main reason:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wikipedia &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">D15, D16, and D17 cranks all have different main bearing diameters</TD></TR></TABLE>

So I'm kind of confused on that.


Modified by Enzo Speed at 3:29 AM 9/6/2006

 

Aside from my other ramblings, here's another good reason why you should NOT stroke your D16: side-loading.

Ever wonder why D16's are always blowing headgaskets? It's because they have problems with sleeve movement (again, R/S is too low). Now go ahead and stroke that motor and increase the side-loading; sleeve distortion is only going to worsen.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enzo Speed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Aside from my other ramblings, here's another good reason why you should NOT stroke your D16: side-loading.

Ever wonder why D16's are always blowing headgaskets? It's because they have problems with sleeve movement (again, R/S is too low). Now go ahead and stroke that motor and increase the side-loading; sleeve distortion is only going to worsen.</TD></TR></TABLE>

back about 2 years ago, I had plans to build a B16 that made power up to 10 and beyond. I had a lot of people telling me that it couldn't be done and even if i did I would just blow my clutch out. "yeah ok guys, derr"... they said the 16 was crap because it didn't make torq blah blah blah. i would take RPMs over torq almost any day.

 

TO ENZO SPEED

lol, we will see when it runs down the track. plus i love the torque, if u notice most d series motors on dynos have high torque. the torque is closer to the hp level then a b series. i've already built my full race head which actually flows better then a b series stock head "yes it is true flame on me if u want to". heres everything i've done to the head. it has been ported & polish on a flow bench for full race to get that perfect flow for the turbo to spool all the way to the redline. "which will be 8500k. i also have my STR IM and my STR TB which both are ported and polished to perfection . i have a blox cam but now, i'm trying to figure out which cam to use instead of that one. i also have a aem cam gear, ferrea valves, ferrea dual valve springs and ferrea retainers with brand new oem valve guides. and also my fuel system, but i'm not going to get into that and all the othere goodies i have for it . talk all the crap u want about the motor but when i'm finished with it next year in feb. u will see it in action. put down the d series for know but wait till u see it in action. and i've already made up my choice i'm using the stock crank and a 76mm bore.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by project89sicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">TO ENZO SPEED </TD></TR></TABLE>


Look you tool, I gave you the facts. Stop living in a fantasy world.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enzo Speed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


you are a retard!</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by project89sicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, we will see when it runs down the track.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Shut up. Your D-series will never be as fast as mine. I should be breaking into the 10's soon.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> plus i love the torque, if u notice most d series motors on dynos have high torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I believe I already pointed out the whole tq/stroke correlation

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the torque is closer to the hp level then a b series.</TD></TR></TABLE>

At 25psi mine makes 419hp and 340tq. A b-series can make twice that.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i've already built my full race head which actually flows better then a b series stock head </TD></TR></TABLE>

No it doesn't.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"yes it is true flame on me if u want to"</TD></TR></TABLE>

Okay, I will flame you - your head does not outflow a b-series head you ignorant jackass.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. heres everything i've done to the head. it has been ported & polish on a flow bench for full race to get that perfect flow for the turbo to spool all the way to the redline. "which will be 8500k. i also have my STR IM and my STR TB which both are ported and polished to perfection . i have a blox cam but now, i'm trying to figure out which cam to use instead of that one. i also have a aem cam gear, ferrea valves, ferrea dual valve springs and ferrea retainers with brand new oem valve guides. and also my fuel system, but i'm not going to get into that and all the othere goodies i have for it . talk all the crap u want about the motor but when i'm finished with it next year in feb. u will see it in action. put down the d series for know but wait till u see it in action. and i've already made up my choice i'm using the stock crank and a 76mm bore. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess that paragraph pretty much spells out what we already know - you have no idea what you're talking about.

But... we've all been there before. Living in denial that is. You'll eventually figure it out. BTW, you can't just say "it'll rev to 8500 rpms". It doesn't work that way. You have to figure that out on the dyno. My setup is leaps and bounds ahead of yours and I only make power to 8,300.

But what do I know. I've only spent 3 years and $10,000+ building my d-series

 

dam bro, u didnt have to take it that far. i admit it, i am still learning on how to build performance motors. and i also admit that i won't know if the head will reach 8500k till i get it on the dyno and tuned. everyone keeps telling me to spend my money on a b series. but my mind is set on a d series, only because everyone has a b series. i basically just want to see what a fully built d series motor can run in a gutted to hell crx. and the dyno #'s on the motor. i dont know how u took it maybe as a insult. but when i typed your screen name in captions it was so u can see it. it wasnt ment to call u out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enzo Speed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It's not. Don't fight the facts.

Aside from that, this topic is a non-issue if you understand engine theory. Stroking a D16 is a very shitty idea. The B16's have a larger bore and a smaller stroke. Consequently, they rev higher and make less torque than a D16. The D16 has a smaller bore and a larger stroke. That's why they don't rev as high, yet make more torque than B16's.

However, since the ultimate goal in import tuning is to take advantage of the high hp that comes from high revs, you will learn that the highest hp D-series motors have been de-stroked from 1.6L to 1.5L. Take a gander at the SOHC's that are in the 600whp range - most of them are 1.5 liters.

Bottom line: if you're going to spend time and money on your motor, make sure you're taking a step forward, not backwards. The downfall of the D16 motor:

1. Poorly flowing head
2. Non-ideal R/S ratio


Short stroke = more revs = more power. If you want more displacement, get an overbore. Even still, there is a point of diminishing returns when doing an overbore (I've yet to discover the magical bore size). You want to run the largest bore possible without weakening the sleeves to the point where you have to run less boost or worry about tuning. Personally, I wouldn't go over ~79mm. Of course, this is all assuming you have a sleeved motor. Definitely don't try to bore extra displacement out of stock sleeves.</TD></TR></TABLE>

excellent post. i 100% agree. If I could i'd run a d14 crank.


but if you insist. you need to get the following.

88-95 d16 block because it has the dipstick on the front of the block (96-00 has it through the oil pump)
d17 oil pump
d17 crank pulley
d16 rods (or the d17 ones)
d17 pistons

all that for a 100cc and shitty r/s ratio?

the only time I would ever do this is if i had a d17 for cheap and if i was rebuilding my 88-95 d16 and that would be the ONLY modification that I planned on doing ever.