Can someone give me a fairly definite answer on whether these symptoms mean my starter is gone or whether its the starter cut relay. Basically the Starter isnt turning the engine over, there is no movement of the engine at all when you turn the key to the "start" position. I can hear the starter clicking but nothing happens.

 

Check that the cables are tight and that your battery is good. If that all checks out, have some tap on the starter with something while you try to turn it over and see if that does the trick

 

the cables are tight on the starter and i have a brand new battery so i know thats good. I just tried hitting it while it was trying to turn over and it just clicks really fast and then stops. Seems like the starter motor is not engaging to the flywheel which i believe means the starter is toast or needs rebuilding.

just a lil more info, last thursday my battery gave out on me and in frustration i held the key in the start position repeatedly so i think that messed up the starter. I am hoping it is the starter and not anything else because the starter is only 2 bolts.

 

ok i just went and had the starter tested at part source and the test said the starter was good, the gear part pushed out and spun really fast. So i came home put the starter back in and try to start it and same problem. I also tried to jump the starter directly from the battery and it just clicks, the engine does not turn over.

 

Did you check the battery ground cables? Might have corrosion or something limiting the current.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Perfectionist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you check the battery ground cables? Might have corrosion or something limiting the current.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Battery Ground is tight on battery and the ground is 1/0 to the chassis.

 

bump started the car, runs fine but when i shut it off it will not restart the starter just goes brrrrrrrrrattttttttttt.

 

BTW do you think it could be the contacts inside the starter and that it was just in the right position on the bench getting tested and in the car it is just on a bad angle and the contacts inside need replacing? Also i checked the flywheel and there dont seem to be any teeth missing so it has to be somethign to do with the starter i am sure of it?

 

anyone?

 

Doubt it is the starter if it worked out of the car. Definitely electrical related somewhere between the Key and starter. I know its a bitch finding these problems but its something we all go through. Just be patient and you'll find the problem. Might possibly be a relay not sending full current to the starter. Is the starter grounded? If not that is your problem.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by msmotorsports &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doubt it is the starter if it worked out of the car. Definitely electrical related somewhere between the Key and starter. I know its a bitch finding these problems but its something we all go through. Just be patient and you'll find the problem. Might possibly be a relay not sending full current to the starter. Is the starter grounded? If not that is your problem. </TD></TR></TABLE>

see when it worked at the store it confused the hell outta me because it wasnt working in the car. It cant be between the key and starter because i jumped the terminal connection directly from the battery and it did the exact same thing as it does when i try with the key normally which leads me to believe it has something to do with a part and the way its mounted.

The wiring is perfect i know that because the car has been fine for almost a year now, the only thing recently that happened was my battery went dead due to some alt issues but i had the battery replaced under warranty and got a brand new optima and made sure to fully charge it. The starter grounds through the casing which im sure is working fine because the starter is pushing out im sure just doesnt seem to be spinning the flywheel at all.

 

As far as I know, the starter works like this when the key is turned to start...

A solenoid forces the starter gear forward to engage the flywheel teeth.
This action also closes contacts that supply the starter motor with battery voltage at high current.
This should spin the engine. If not...

Either not enough current available for the starter motor (battery, wires, contacts in the starter solenoid, etc)

Burned or worn spot(s) on the starter motor armature.

The bad spots would result in a 'starts sometimes' conditions. Maybe that's why it worked when you had it tested?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Perfectionist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As far as I know, the starter works like this when the key is turned to start...

A solenoid forces the starter gear forward to engage the flywheel teeth.
This action also closes contacts that supply the starter motor with battery voltage at high current.
This should spin the engine. If not...

Either not enough current available for the starter motor (battery, wires, contacts in the starter solenoid, etc)

Burned or worn spot(s) on the starter motor armature.

The bad spots would result in a 'starts sometimes' conditions. Maybe that's why it worked when you had it tested?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah thats how i figured it worked, basically the connection thats tightened down with a nut supplies the current to spin the starter motor and the female connection supplies power to engage he solenoid to push the starter gear towards the flywheel?

So with this im guessing that it is pushing it out but it is not spinning due to worn contacts inside the starter? Does this sound like a fare assumption?

 

When they did the load test I assume the starter wasn't hooked up to anything so there was no load on it. When your battery died you said you kept trying to start the car--starters can overheat and melt the solder holding the connections on the inside together. Perhaps when its in the car trying to turn over the motor there is just too much load and it won't turn over. Did you check the chassis to motor grounds? Check those--they are a frequent source of problems.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16dcoe45 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When they did the load test I assume the starter wasn't hooked up to anything so there was no load on it. When your battery died you said you kept trying to start the car--starters can overheat and melt the solder holding the connections on the inside together. Perhaps when its in the car trying to turn over the motor there is just too much load and it won't turn over. Did you check the chassis to motor grounds? Check those--they are a frequent source of problems.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah the starter was just hooked up to the machine strapped down. I figure that something happened internally that would cause it not to turn the engine over but not sure exactly what it might be. So you think its the connections inside the solenoid and not the contacts?

I will check the chassis to tranny ground again but I know all the grounds are there and havent moved at all so i dont think this would be the issue?

 

i am having the same problem...new starter...same noise...teeth are good

on my 1999 integra...idk whats wrong...if u get anything working or i do ill let you know

 

gonna go try a couple things and see what happens. It is similar to if you have a low charge on the battery but i know the battery is good so its either the tranny ground or something internally in the starter im guessing.

 

are you pulleys and such moving...i got A/C and P/S and all my belts move...so mines engauging i assume

 

nope the engine is not turning at all when trying to use the starter. I know there are no missing teeth on the flywheel so im not sure what it could be. If your belts and such are moving then the starter is spinning the flywheel which id assume means u have an ignition problem.

 

i could...also been reading about crankshatf sensors

only reason i dont think its ignition...the starter it making the loud wineing noise

 

ok mine was a Timing Belt...might want to double check urs man...

 

any luck, I am having the same problem, not spinning the motor

 

turned out to be the starter motor, picked up a rebuilt one and popped it in and presto. one thing i would recommnd checking is the smaller connection on the starter. if u can have a friend crank the engine while u wiggle that connector as it might be a little loose, other than that i would say pick up a rebuilt like i did.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stealth1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah thats how i figured it worked, basically the connection thats tightened down with a nut supplies the current to spin the starter motor and the female connection supplies power to engage he solenoid to push the starter gear towards the flywheel?

So with this im guessing that it is pushing it out but it is not spinning due to worn contacts inside the starter? Does this sound like a fare assumption?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you know how to do a voltage drop test? It sounds to me that you might possibly have an extra resistance somehow that is not allowing enough current to get to the starter motor. The solenoid itself might even be to blame. I can tell you how to do a voltage drop test or you can google it.

 

well i popped in a remanu one from advanced auto and it is still the same thing. Do you guys think it could be my battery. I dont know why it do this I just took it off to change the clutch and flywheel. Just wondering.