Also don't forget that the SI is probably the heaviest Civic, and the Type R is probably the lightest integra. The Type R will make more power up top, and due to the fact that you both have the same gearing, the R would win. If you shift at 8500 in the R, you would start pulling again at about 6500 (give or take) and have that wonderful powerband until the next shift. In the LS/VTEC, you won't have that amount of high power, so when you shift, the R will have the advantage. Also, the R is the lighter car.

 

you guys stress too much on weight. The SI weighs 2601, the Type R weighs 2577. That is nothing. I know who the LS/VTEC is going to for tuning so he will have the best results out of his setup. I think it will be close if they race it just all depends on the driver

 

go with the ls vtec more power or better yet b20vtec

 

I agree. The cars both have the same gearing, but the type R has factory lsd. I'm running Ls/Vtec and I've had people say I could beat Type R's b/c I have gobs more torque. Weight issues are minimal in this comparison b/c after each motor is built, the weight difference will be within 50lbs of eachother...so ****, should we factor in the weight of the driver...after IN-N-OUT? Horsepower and torque are awesome, and they give advantages, but in a race as close as this, I think it will come down to the drivers. IMO the Ls/Vtec could take the Type R if he shifts too early or too late, but if the Type R's on it, he'll take the gold.

 

ls/vtec all the way ragardless of weight and lsd. he might get you off the line but with the mods you listed and tuned properly you got it what tranny r u runnin?

 

If they have the same gearing, the R will be pulling in each gear for a longer distance than the frankenstein. The LS/VTEC may pull harder off the line initially, but through the powerband of the R, it will pull ahead by about 3rd gear.

Torque is great, but horsepower is what matters

 

I will be running Stock B16 tranny for now until I can afford LSD...and I dont knoe if I believe all of those mods Brad listed on the Type R...I will believe it when I see it...

 

get some cams and lsd and you might take the win, also a nice header will help a lot. what other mods do you have

 

hey i pulled on a R with my 1900 pound hatch
i only have a ls swap with cams and a few mods
imagine what i would do if i had a built ls/vtec
can we say weeeeeeeee

 

I agree with LudeyKrus, it will be gearing that determines this race, not the torque curve. While the LS/VTEC will have great midrange torque, in a race you will spend the entire time within 2500 rpms of the redline right where the R has the advantage.

 

we both use the same tranny...same gearing...

I have DC Sports 4-1 Header Stainless, AEM Cold Air, and Apexi N1 2.5 inch exhaust...

 

You have to work on your head.

PNP, JUN3's, JUN valvetrain.

 

the LS crank wasnt meant to turn as fast as the type r, hence the LSVTEC wont be as reliable.

ide say the type r would win only cuz the LSV would blow the head before the end of the race.

jk, i dont know its pretty even actually.

 

hmmm why don't you guys dyno the cars, and the losing car pays for the other guy's dyno cost? sounds good to me.

 

i have a LS/VTEC with ITR pistons with Headers, Intake, Chipped ECU in a 93 Coupe and raced a friends 01 Type R, he has chipped ECU, Headers and Intake......

Beat him every single time......and we also switched cars, my car still beat his.......

 

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I don't know why, but it seems blaringly obvious to me.

The R SHOULD win. If you two have the exact same gearing, and the LS/VTEC has comparable HP, then when the LS/Vtec hits redline in first gear, the R will still have some RPM's to pull...hence, he will pull ahead.

Also, I know the R comes from the factory w/ `90, right? I think it'd take a good deal of work to make an LS/VTEC do more than that; even then, if the R has any mods, it's gonna be harder and harder to make up for the R's advantage.

Just my opinion....

 

I dont have a clue what C/R the civic type r's have but 12:1 on an LS/VTEC is gonna be mean period. It wouldn't be as rev friendly as the R (due to tird R/S ratio), but I bet it's got it beat with torque. My bets on the Civic Si, if driving ability is equal. Good luck

 

well the block is going in for crank balancing and bore and hone in a few days...we will see in the spring....

 

well I just made it more intersting...I just bought Skunk 2 Stage 2 cams to go with the whole thing...

Now what does everyone think

 

i think i like cheddar cheez
and non vtec

 

the type-r motor is done, picked up today.....cams go in next week, and checking for piston to valve clearance, then break in, then tuning......LS/VTEC?