So I am building an LS VTEC:

B16 Head
AEBS IM
Je 12.2 Pistons
Eagle Rods
LS Crank
Type R Cams and Valve Springs
Skunk 2 Cam Gears
Hondata S200
Type R Oil Pump
Balanced and Blue Printed Block
Knife Edged Crank
ACL Bearings

(Probably leaving out a few things)

His Type R:

CTR Pistons
Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams (valve Springs and Retainers)
Sunk 2 Cam Gears
Hondata

So....who will make more HP and Torque?

 

I'd put my money on the R.....

hybrid motors make good torquey motors, but for a straight up power motor, the high-revving, well-designed R's will rip it up.

 

the R should only lay down 175WHP give or take 5WHP... i think you got him beat


Modified by SikCivic at 12:56 AM 10/27/2003

 

If you are both tunned propertly it will be close on the power, u will have better torque through the whole power band, thats assuming everything is running right. My 2.0 ls has u both though.

 

I think he'll edge u out on the HP...but you'll have the torque on him.

 

i don't think its a contest

 

I think that both setups should be good for 200whp. I would say that properly tuned, the ITR will make more peak torque, with torque coming on sooner for the LSVTEC.

 

you are lookin at about the same compression ratio...but u should rev farther and your bottom end beats his

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SikCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">..but u should rev farther and your bottom end beats his</TD></TR></TABLE>

Umm... how do you figure that? He has a stock ITR valvetrain and cams, so he's not going to rev higher than The ITR. With a full skunk2 valvetrain and stage 2 cams the ITR can make power to 9K RPMS or maybe more.

 

Can I vote for "it doesn't matter?"

Peak HP/TQ figures mean next to nothing

 

i would leave the crank instead of knife edging if u want even more torque...(depending how much the crank is knifed/lightend)..with the compression and cams that the itr is using i think the itr will make more hp...torque not to sure...just MY OPINION.

 

yeah I have actually thought about that...

Good answers...so I guess its going to be close...but I dont like that so I might order some cams LoL...

 

now your talkin!

 

Alrght so the new question...

Slight weight reduction on the Si vs the Type R....1/4 mile estimates with good drivers and who would win...

 

how about **** the estimates, go race and find out

 

oh we will...

 

I think the ITR will win if you 2 run cause traction will be a slight problem for the SI

 

I think the R will win b/c of the better gearing.

 

your missing a few things from his list brandon...i thought you were going to change that...here is the type-r's list....complete top to bottom

p&p'd head, reworked combustion chbr
skunk2 swirl polished valve set- stock size, stdrd comp.
skunk2 valve train- springs, ret. etc.
skunk2 stage 2 cams
skunk2 cam gears
CTR pistons
stock rods
micropolished crank
balanced rotating assmbly
hondata s200

bolt ons:
powercore 4-1 header 2.5" collector
aem cold-air
powercore high flow cat
powercore 2.5" exhaust

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trusttuned &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your missing a few things from his list brandon...i thought you were going to change that...here is the type-r's list....complete top to bottom

p&p'd head, reworked combustion chbr
skunk2 swirl polished valve set- stock size, stdrd comp.
skunk2 valve train- springs, ret. etc.
skunk2 stage 2 cams
skunk2 cam gears
CTR pistons
stock rods
micropolished crank
balanced rotating assmbly
hondata s200

bolt ons:
powercore 4-1 header 2.5" collector
aem cold-air
powercore high flow cat
powercore 2.5" exhaust


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looking at that...give up now

 

who?..the lsvtec or the type-r?...and if it's the ls vtec.....lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! ....give up? i say it will be a close hp race, more high end hp and peaky tq curve for the r, lsvtec.. less hp, flatter tq curve....but give up?? no way dood and

"the R should only lay down 175WHP give or take 5WHP..." -sikcivic

he lays close to that stock...check your info dude..that setup is good for over 200whp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudeyKrus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the R will win b/c of the better gearing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

They have the same gearing

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by steves98itr247 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

They have the same gearing </TD></TR></TABLE>

similiar gearing , but lets not forget the LSD and the fact that the ITR weighs less then the Si , u said a lil weight reduction so who knows how much your talking about, its close but i wouldn't be to cocky anything can happen, skunk2 stage2 pulls hard up top!

 

Lets stop the bullshit when I get my ITR built and finish, its on. O buy the way have fun looking at my tail lights if you can see them LOL

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trusttuned &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">who?..the lsvtec or the type-r?...and if it's the ls vtec.....lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! ....give up? i say it will be a close hp race, more high end hp and peaky tq curve for the r, lsvtec.. less hp, flatter tq curve....but give up?? no way dood and

"the R should only lay down 175WHP give or take 5WHP..." -sikcivic

he lays close to that stock...check your info dude..that setup is good for over 200whp</TD></TR></TABLE>

sry when i made that statement i was thinking the r was close to stock....sry