Rocket Challenge
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
Rocket, How do your N11 cams do against the RS/EXOSPEED SR909 cam for the D16A6?
http://www.hadamotorsport.com/D16camshafts.htm
http://www.hadamotorsport.com/D16camshafts.htm
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Re: Rocket Challenge (HumanResource)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HumanResource »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rocket, How do your N11 cams do against the RS/EXOSPEED SR909 cam for the D16A6?
http://www.hadamotorsport.com/D16camshafts.htm
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I have a friend who has used both. Needless to say he only gets his cams from me now.
http://www.hadamotorsport.com/D16camshafts.htm
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I have a friend who has used both. Needless to say he only gets his cams from me now.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (vtecmissle)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecmissle »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when we gonna get to see the dyno sheets???</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've e-mailed my PDF scan of the dyno to H-T member chris@allmotor.net.
Hit him up for the dyno sheet.
I've e-mailed my PDF scan of the dyno to H-T member chris@allmotor.net.
Hit him up for the dyno sheet.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> 1) ef-1 cams v. JUN, TODA, Crower, Crane, Web, Spoon, Skunk
I don't give a **** what company we go against. I've got grinds to go toe to toe w/ Toda E's or JUN 6's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Proffesional mannerism? Just curious... I hope you guys work things out.
I don't give a **** what company we go against. I've got grinds to go toe to toe w/ Toda E's or JUN 6's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Proffesional mannerism? Just curious... I hope you guys work things out.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
9) ef-1 Custom Ross and JE v. Wiseco, Arias, etc. Ross and JE use 2618-T6 heat treated "clean" aluminum. Wiseco uses high silicon Aluminum similar to SRP 4032. 4032 Al is prone to cracking and once a crack starts it doesn't stop. 2618-T6 wont do this. Yeah you can run tighter clearances with 4032 but it's more brittle.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Rocket, you have your information wrong and are mis-informing people on
this board about Wiseco pistons
They are not made from the 40XX series
aluminim like SRP's, they are made from 2618 T6 Aluminum...
Isn't that the same as your CP's?
In 3 years, I still have not seen 1
Wiseco piston crack, ever....
Not to mention our IB Wiseco's are lighter than CP... Hmmmm, same material = same strength, lighter, better forgings, more aplications, lower pricing...
That might a few of the reasons IB, ENDYN and RLZ use Wiseco...
BY CHOICE
Modified by RS_H22 at 7:34 PM 10/20/2003
9) ef-1 Custom Ross and JE v. Wiseco, Arias, etc. Ross and JE use 2618-T6 heat treated "clean" aluminum. Wiseco uses high silicon Aluminum similar to SRP 4032. 4032 Al is prone to cracking and once a crack starts it doesn't stop. 2618-T6 wont do this. Yeah you can run tighter clearances with 4032 but it's more brittle.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Rocket, you have your information wrong and are mis-informing people on
this board about Wiseco pistons
They are not made from the 40XX series
aluminim like SRP's, they are made from 2618 T6 Aluminum...
Isn't that the same as your CP's?
In 3 years, I still have not seen 1
Wiseco piston crack, ever....
Not to mention our IB Wiseco's are lighter than CP... Hmmmm, same material = same strength, lighter, better forgings, more aplications, lower pricing...
That might a few of the reasons IB, ENDYN and RLZ use Wiseco...
BY CHOICE
Modified by RS_H22 at 7:34 PM 10/20/2003
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
[QUOTE=Rocket] Rocket Challenge
4) ef-1 Tuning v. all other tuners
Hondata, Motec, Autronic, SpeedPro, HRED, DFI. Bring it on!
6) ef-1 ACL bearings v. Honda OEM, Clevite, Federal Mogul, King. You can't beat ACL's. Ask any competitive racer.
7) ef-1 Spark Plugs v. NGK, Denso, Bosch. Nothing comes close.
10) ef-1 Injectors - We have the Rochester injectors that will blow the doors off of RC's.QUOTE]
Hey Rocket,
Judging from the animosity in your post, I'll probably regret making any relpy, but I just wanted to say that I was a bit shocked by some of this stuff.....
I mean, you've never said anything derrogatory about me, and I certainly have nothing negative whatsoever to say about you, your services, or your products....In fact, I was thinking of trying some of them myself.......
just a word to the wise............it is a proven fact that no single person has ever been the master-of-the universe, as you seem to claim in relation to just about anything that has to do with high performance automotive applictaions.......
It just comes off worng and tends to be a bit of a turn-off. I agree that you must have confidence in your products and your abilities, but come on.......you can't truly honestly think that you are the best at everything do you?
I am a pretty knowledgeable tuner, {at least I think} but I wouldn't ever think that I could take on any tuner from any product and propose to whoop their ***. Its all about experience with a particular product.
You can't expect to build a roadrace car and show up to the track and kick everyone's *** the first lap, right? Its about having seat time in that car on that track....
And what are you doing to YOUR ACL bearings that everybody else {Including ACL} has missed? Why are yours so much better? A company called Calico Coatings has fouond a way to improve on bearings, but what exactly have YOU done?
And injectors? Russ Collins has been building and testing injectors almost as long as guys like you and I have been alive...........what knowledge have you obained to catapult you so far ahead of him?
Are your Rochester injectors different than the rest of ours in some special way? I have personnaly tested RC's and rochesters on a totally independant injector flow bench, and found that niether Rochester or MSD perform the way RC's do.......crank up the pressure a bit and decrese the Pulse width to the injector on a Rochester or MSD and see what happens.........
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking you or your products............just your sales pitch.....
Also, I'm sure that since you have obviously obtained the keys to the universe as far as what works and what doesn't..........why then are you still verifying your results on a Dynojet?..........
Yes, yes, I know it's the industry standard dyno because of cost and marketing, but ask any real engineer, and you'll quickly learn why they are truly useless for any serious tuning or testing........
Acceleration type dynos are very useful for back to back testing of components as you propose to do for your challenge.........however for tuning an engine the ability to test and record power in REAL TIME at steady state is invaluable...........
I know that Dynojet offers "Load control" but even though they can now apply a load, they can only calculate power based on roller acceleration.........at stead state acceleration = 0 which means no ability to tune for real time best igntion advance.....no IMEP calc's, nothing...........at best a J&S knock gaurd could be used to help identify problem areas, but there are 512 points to tune in an Autronic Base timing map.......how you gonna tune every one on a dynojet?
There is a reason why major automanufacturers don't use dynojest when creating a calibration for a line of cars......
Okay, I'm all done being negative now..........I know you are very knowledgeable, and honest and trying to do a good job.........keep that stuff up, but maybe just use a little less aggression towards the rest of the automotive industy! There are plenty of guys who came before us and have led the way for us to follow. Unless you are pioneering a new aspect of racing, you are really just working towards perfecting what others have already accomplished.
4) ef-1 Tuning v. all other tuners
Hondata, Motec, Autronic, SpeedPro, HRED, DFI. Bring it on!
6) ef-1 ACL bearings v. Honda OEM, Clevite, Federal Mogul, King. You can't beat ACL's. Ask any competitive racer.
7) ef-1 Spark Plugs v. NGK, Denso, Bosch. Nothing comes close.
10) ef-1 Injectors - We have the Rochester injectors that will blow the doors off of RC's.QUOTE]
Hey Rocket,
Judging from the animosity in your post, I'll probably regret making any relpy, but I just wanted to say that I was a bit shocked by some of this stuff.....
I mean, you've never said anything derrogatory about me, and I certainly have nothing negative whatsoever to say about you, your services, or your products....In fact, I was thinking of trying some of them myself.......
just a word to the wise............it is a proven fact that no single person has ever been the master-of-the universe, as you seem to claim in relation to just about anything that has to do with high performance automotive applictaions.......
It just comes off worng and tends to be a bit of a turn-off. I agree that you must have confidence in your products and your abilities, but come on.......you can't truly honestly think that you are the best at everything do you?
I am a pretty knowledgeable tuner, {at least I think} but I wouldn't ever think that I could take on any tuner from any product and propose to whoop their ***. Its all about experience with a particular product.
You can't expect to build a roadrace car and show up to the track and kick everyone's *** the first lap, right? Its about having seat time in that car on that track....
And what are you doing to YOUR ACL bearings that everybody else {Including ACL} has missed? Why are yours so much better? A company called Calico Coatings has fouond a way to improve on bearings, but what exactly have YOU done?
And injectors? Russ Collins has been building and testing injectors almost as long as guys like you and I have been alive...........what knowledge have you obained to catapult you so far ahead of him?
Are your Rochester injectors different than the rest of ours in some special way? I have personnaly tested RC's and rochesters on a totally independant injector flow bench, and found that niether Rochester or MSD perform the way RC's do.......crank up the pressure a bit and decrese the Pulse width to the injector on a Rochester or MSD and see what happens.........
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking you or your products............just your sales pitch.....
Also, I'm sure that since you have obviously obtained the keys to the universe as far as what works and what doesn't..........why then are you still verifying your results on a Dynojet?..........
Yes, yes, I know it's the industry standard dyno because of cost and marketing, but ask any real engineer, and you'll quickly learn why they are truly useless for any serious tuning or testing........
Acceleration type dynos are very useful for back to back testing of components as you propose to do for your challenge.........however for tuning an engine the ability to test and record power in REAL TIME at steady state is invaluable...........
I know that Dynojet offers "Load control" but even though they can now apply a load, they can only calculate power based on roller acceleration.........at stead state acceleration = 0 which means no ability to tune for real time best igntion advance.....no IMEP calc's, nothing...........at best a J&S knock gaurd could be used to help identify problem areas, but there are 512 points to tune in an Autronic Base timing map.......how you gonna tune every one on a dynojet?
There is a reason why major automanufacturers don't use dynojest when creating a calibration for a line of cars......
Okay, I'm all done being negative now..........I know you are very knowledgeable, and honest and trying to do a good job.........keep that stuff up, but maybe just use a little less aggression towards the rest of the automotive industy! There are plenty of guys who came before us and have led the way for us to follow. Unless you are pioneering a new aspect of racing, you are really just working towards perfecting what others have already accomplished.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I have a friend who has used both. Needless to say he only gets his cams from me now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hi robert,
who is your friend that has used our cams? just curious.
I have a friend who has used both. Needless to say he only gets his cams from me now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hi robert,
who is your friend that has used our cams? just curious.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (EFIGUY)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EFIGUY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And injectors? Russ Collins has been building and testing injectors almost as long as guys like you and I have been alive...........what knowledge have you obained to catapult you so far ahead of him?
Are your Rochester injectors different than the rest of ours in some special way? I have personnaly tested RC's and rochesters on a totally independant injector flow bench, and found that niether Rochester or MSD perform the way RC's do.......crank up the pressure a bit and decrese the Pulse width to the injector on a Rochester or MSD and see what happens.........</TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe the difference is RC didnt give him a decent enough price break on their injectors and Rochester did...
And injectors? Russ Collins has been building and testing injectors almost as long as guys like you and I have been alive...........what knowledge have you obained to catapult you so far ahead of him?
Are your Rochester injectors different than the rest of ours in some special way? I have personnaly tested RC's and rochesters on a totally independant injector flow bench, and found that niether Rochester or MSD perform the way RC's do.......crank up the pressure a bit and decrese the Pulse width to the injector on a Rochester or MSD and see what happens.........</TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe the difference is RC didnt give him a decent enough price break on their injectors and Rochester did...
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Re: Rocket Challenge (RS_H22)
Does anyone have a dyno chart of their setup with ef-1 components? Track times? Anything?
I remember there were quite a few people a while back saying they have the cams, in the motor, but don't want to dyno because they have to break the motor in. What happened to those guys?
I think I've seen only two charts. If I recall correctly, the motor blew or something and the other chart was an untuned engine.
I remember there were quite a few people a while back saying they have the cams, in the motor, but don't want to dyno because they have to break the motor in. What happened to those guys?
I think I've seen only two charts. If I recall correctly, the motor blew or something and the other chart was an untuned engine.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (EFIGUY)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EFIGUY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EF-1 is now a discussion board.......
Rocket, is apparently still selling parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, parts aren't going away.
All you guys work for IB or you just rock there parts? (RS_H22 & ibspecHATCH)
s
Rocket, is apparently still selling parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, parts aren't going away.
All you guys work for IB or you just rock there parts? (RS_H22 & ibspecHATCH)
s
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Re: Rocket Challenge (stevel)
I don't work for anybody............
I just want to buy more steak than sizzle...........teach me, and I will follow; instruct me and Iwill listen........don't just tell me you are better than everyone else.
I just want to buy more steak than sizzle...........teach me, and I will follow; instruct me and Iwill listen........don't just tell me you are better than everyone else.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (EFIGUY)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EFIGUY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just want to buy more steak than sizzle...........teach me, and I will follow; instruct me and Iwill listen........don't just tell me you are better than everyone else.</TD></TR></TABLE>
words any consumer should live by.. well those willing to take the time to learn.
words any consumer should live by.. well those willing to take the time to learn.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
This dude rocket has been posting on HT for a long *** time and I've only seen 1 dyno chart and it was kinda fishy. If your gonna run your mouth off like you do than atleast back it up. I'm pretty sure you have spent some time r&d'ing your cams, so post up some dyno sheets. You tell other peeps to post up dyno sheets with your cams but no one buys em.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (RS_H22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RS_H22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Myself and Jeff are IB... Jerry and Rod along with a few others are parts of IB as well but for the most part its me and Jeff that run the show.</TD></TR></TABLE>What is the address of this show you are running? Or does IB really mean INSTANT BULLSH*T
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Re: Rocket Challenge (AzN_Flava)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AzN_Flava »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hehe Hi man,
It's posts like these, that keep me so patiently waiting for my stuff. I know its good stuff. I'll offer my soon to be ls/vtec to be a guinea pig
Bernie
by the way, i'm a believer, i'm a big big believer, and so are all my friends with Rx7's and 240's. They want ur stuff
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So your friend wants to put a cam in his RX-7?
It's posts like these, that keep me so patiently waiting for my stuff. I know its good stuff. I'll offer my soon to be ls/vtec to be a guinea pig
Bernie
by the way, i'm a believer, i'm a big big believer, and so are all my friends with Rx7's and 240's. They want ur stuff
</TD></TR></TABLE>So your friend wants to put a cam in his RX-7?
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Re: Rocket Challenge (ibspecHATCH)
Found this here http://www.ef-1.com/modules.ph...&t=16
B20Vtec NA 12+:1 Compression
ef-1 M24 Prototype "JUN Killers" v. TodaB
"Todas came out on top as the M24 was too much cam for a B16A"
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This is a preliminary dyno chart ***UNTUNED*** done on our dynojet. I will be adding a Hondata sometime next week to fix the horrible fuel curve. I can't get the car to idle unless the camgears are set +4 on exhaust and -2 on intake. Ill post up the finished product after tuning. Maybe you can estimate the hp potential of this motor. Im thinking about 200whp n/a, hopefully more. The injectors are stock,stock p30 ecu, no fuel controler other than a aem fpr and a walbro fuel pump.
b18c1 with ctr pistons
jdm 4-1 ss dc header
aem type-r cold air
skunk 2 manifold
ef-1 m24 cams(rockets)
skunk 2 gears
greddy sp exhaust
unported head with upgraded valve springs and valves
WTF! Get that **** ironed out. What a waste of dyno time.
I am not in the market for camshafts, but if I was I'd be skeptical of these.
B20Vtec NA 12+:1 Compression
ef-1 M24 Prototype "JUN Killers" v. TodaB
"Todas came out on top as the M24 was too much cam for a B16A"
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This is a preliminary dyno chart ***UNTUNED*** done on our dynojet. I will be adding a Hondata sometime next week to fix the horrible fuel curve. I can't get the car to idle unless the camgears are set +4 on exhaust and -2 on intake. Ill post up the finished product after tuning. Maybe you can estimate the hp potential of this motor. Im thinking about 200whp n/a, hopefully more. The injectors are stock,stock p30 ecu, no fuel controler other than a aem fpr and a walbro fuel pump.
b18c1 with ctr pistons
jdm 4-1 ss dc header
aem type-r cold air
skunk 2 manifold
ef-1 m24 cams(rockets)
skunk 2 gears
greddy sp exhaust
unported head with upgraded valve springs and valves
WTF! Get that **** ironed out. What a waste of dyno time
. I am not in the market for camshafts, but if I was I'd be skeptical of these.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Valdez)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Valdez »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is the address of this show you are running? Or does IB really mean INSTANT BULLSH*T</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.importbuilders.com
http://www.importreview.com
http://www.importreview.com/forums/
http://www.importreview.com/IBmotors.html
http://www.importreview.com/raceregistry.html
Ask around... IB is one of the biggest and most well known ANYTHINGS Honda related...
http://www.importbuilders.com
http://www.importreview.com
http://www.importreview.com/forums/
http://www.importreview.com/IBmotors.html
http://www.importreview.com/raceregistry.html
Ask around... IB is one of the biggest and most well known ANYTHINGS Honda related...
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Re: Rocket Challenge (RS_H22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RS_H22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Ask around... IB is one of the biggest and most well known ANYTHINGS Honda related... </TD></TR></TABLE>
i think that's a bit of a stretch.
s
Ask around... IB is one of the biggest and most well known ANYTHINGS Honda related... </TD></TR></TABLE>
i think that's a bit of a stretch.
s
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Re: Rocket Challenge (stevel)
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i think that's a bit of a stretch.
s</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol... maybe just a little
i think that's a bit of a stretch.
s</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol... maybe just a little
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Re: Rocket Challenge (RS_H22)
I'm talking street address. Any stroke can be anything they want to be on the internet. Anyone with all those parts being made in their plants overseas has to have a warehouse and walk-in sales. So where can all us doubters walk in and see your set-up? Where can we see all the r & d in action?