Rocket Challenge
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Rocket Challenge
Rocket Challenge
I haven't been on the board lately and I hear that there are disrespectful post re me and ef-1 products especially the M24 BVTEC cams of ours. Some claim fake dyno's etc.
So here is the bottom line:
1) Post on this thread and say you are a believer or
2) post saying you are a doubter so that ef-1 and ef-1 dealers will not sell to you.
3) Wanna test some cams. Call me and set up an appointment to have a trial dyno at TrackMasters brand new DynoJet 248C.
ef-1 is up to the challenge and hide from no one. We have stuff that will goe head to head with anyone.
Lezz Rock
1) ef-1 cams v. JUN, TODA, Crower, Crane, Web, Spoon, Skunk
I don't give a **** what company we go against. I've got grinds to go toe to toe w/ Toda E's or JUN 6's.
2) ef-1 valvetrain v. JUN, TODA, Crower, Crane, Web, Ferrera, Skunk. ef-1 springs have run 12k rpms under no load. If you are knowledgeable you'll know that no load rpm is much harder on the valve train. Supertech and custom high flowing Manelys available.
3) ef-1 Machine shop v. all other machine shops
I guarantee my machine shop will out machine any machine shop. Bore, hone, line hone, rod hone, sleeve, piston mods, rod mods, balancing, etc.
4) ef-1 Tuning v. all other tuners
Hondata, Motec, Autronic, SpeedPro, HRED, DFI. Bring it on!
5) ef-1 engine building. 10 sec all motor, 600+whp turbo is just a call away.
6) ef-1 ACL bearings v. Honda OEM, Clevite, Federal Mogul, King. You can't beat ACL's. Ask any competitive racer.
7) ef-1 Spark Plugs v. NGK, Denso, Bosch. Nothing comes close.
8) ef-1 Action Clutches v. ACT, Clutchmasters, Hyper, Tilton. Clutch 101 is only a fraction of what we know about clutches and how to make them work in NA and FI apps.
9) ef-1 Custom Ross and JE v. Wiseco, Arias, etc. Ross and JE use 2618-T6 heat treated "clean" aluminum. Wiseco uses high silicon Aluminum similar to SRP 4032. 4032 Al is prone to cracking and once a crack starts it doesn't stop. 2618-T6 wont do this. Yeah you can run tighter clearances with 4032 but it's more brittle.
10) ef-1 Injectors - We have the Rochester injectors that will blow the doors off of RC's.
11) ef-1 headwork - we can have heads prepared that will out-flow and out power any out there. Flow bench services also offered on a SuperFlow 600.
12) ef-1 Tranny work v. others. We have top secret ****. Just by mentioning this is too much.
So what's the Challenge?
Call me or my dealers (be persistent we can be hard to get a hold of) and we'll show you that none of this is BS.
Modified by Rocket at 9:46 PM 6/10/2003
Modified by Rocket at 11:13 PM 6/10/2003
I haven't been on the board lately and I hear that there are disrespectful post re me and ef-1 products especially the M24 BVTEC cams of ours. Some claim fake dyno's etc.
So here is the bottom line:
1) Post on this thread and say you are a believer or
2) post saying you are a doubter so that ef-1 and ef-1 dealers will not sell to you.
3) Wanna test some cams. Call me and set up an appointment to have a trial dyno at TrackMasters brand new DynoJet 248C.
ef-1 is up to the challenge and hide from no one. We have stuff that will goe head to head with anyone.
Lezz Rock
1) ef-1 cams v. JUN, TODA, Crower, Crane, Web, Spoon, Skunk
I don't give a **** what company we go against. I've got grinds to go toe to toe w/ Toda E's or JUN 6's.
2) ef-1 valvetrain v. JUN, TODA, Crower, Crane, Web, Ferrera, Skunk. ef-1 springs have run 12k rpms under no load. If you are knowledgeable you'll know that no load rpm is much harder on the valve train. Supertech and custom high flowing Manelys available.
3) ef-1 Machine shop v. all other machine shops
I guarantee my machine shop will out machine any machine shop. Bore, hone, line hone, rod hone, sleeve, piston mods, rod mods, balancing, etc.
4) ef-1 Tuning v. all other tuners
Hondata, Motec, Autronic, SpeedPro, HRED, DFI. Bring it on!
5) ef-1 engine building. 10 sec all motor, 600+whp turbo is just a call away.
6) ef-1 ACL bearings v. Honda OEM, Clevite, Federal Mogul, King. You can't beat ACL's. Ask any competitive racer.
7) ef-1 Spark Plugs v. NGK, Denso, Bosch. Nothing comes close.
8) ef-1 Action Clutches v. ACT, Clutchmasters, Hyper, Tilton. Clutch 101 is only a fraction of what we know about clutches and how to make them work in NA and FI apps.
9) ef-1 Custom Ross and JE v. Wiseco, Arias, etc. Ross and JE use 2618-T6 heat treated "clean" aluminum. Wiseco uses high silicon Aluminum similar to SRP 4032. 4032 Al is prone to cracking and once a crack starts it doesn't stop. 2618-T6 wont do this. Yeah you can run tighter clearances with 4032 but it's more brittle.
10) ef-1 Injectors - We have the Rochester injectors that will blow the doors off of RC's.
11) ef-1 headwork - we can have heads prepared that will out-flow and out power any out there. Flow bench services also offered on a SuperFlow 600.
12) ef-1 Tranny work v. others. We have top secret ****. Just by mentioning this is too much.
So what's the Challenge?
Call me or my dealers (be persistent we can be hard to get a hold of) and we'll show you that none of this is BS.
Modified by Rocket at 9:46 PM 6/10/2003
Modified by Rocket at 11:13 PM 6/10/2003
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
good to see you back rocket...
i think this board was/is lacking of you and teken...
just my thought.
Stan
i think this board was/is lacking of you and teken...
just my thought.
Stan
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
OT: rocket, have you ever had a camshaft break and what is your take on the "broken camshaft sydrome"? LMA's? Coil bind?
I would like to hear your opinion on this.
IM me if you dont want to post it.
chad
I would like to hear your opinion on this.
IM me if you dont want to post it.
chad
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Re: Rocket Challenge (1_bad_EF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1_bad_EF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OT: rocket, have you ever had a camshaft break and what is your take on the "broken camshaft sydrome"? LMA's? Coil bind?
I would like to hear your opinion on this.
IM me if you dont want to post it.
chad</TD></TR></TABLE>
Camshaft breakage is mainly due to having alot of "clean up" notching. Some cam grinders remove the casting flash/parting line by grinding a groove 360 around the shaft. Certain camshaft manufactures do this between each lobe. Hence they break in 8 pecies.
Also the rate at which the lobes cool v. the rate at which the shaft cools needs to be controlled during casting so that there isn't too big of a difference. Otherwise you'll have residual stress from the different cooling rates.
As far as LMA binding goes, GSR LMA and ITR LMA's are physically and functionally the same from our inspection.
As far as spring binding most aftermarket springs won't bind until 12.4mm lift.
Lastly, all cams must be straighten to zero run out before grinding.
Hopes this helps.
Modified by Rocket at 10:11 PM 6/10/2003
I would like to hear your opinion on this.
IM me if you dont want to post it.
chad</TD></TR></TABLE>
Camshaft breakage is mainly due to having alot of "clean up" notching. Some cam grinders remove the casting flash/parting line by grinding a groove 360 around the shaft. Certain camshaft manufactures do this between each lobe. Hence they break in 8 pecies.
Also the rate at which the lobes cool v. the rate at which the shaft cools needs to be controlled during casting so that there isn't too big of a difference. Otherwise you'll have residual stress from the different cooling rates.
As far as LMA binding goes, GSR LMA and ITR LMA's are physically and functionally the same from our inspection.
As far as spring binding most aftermarket springs won't bind until 12.4mm lift.
Lastly, all cams must be straighten to zero run out before grinding.
Hopes this helps.
Modified by Rocket at 10:11 PM 6/10/2003
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
holy **** the dead walk!
hows it going bro? i havent seen you on in a LONG time.
thread related: Rocket is the man, those camshafts are real. and unbelievable. along with the other products he makes. if i owned a honda i would get those cams just to prove him right.
hows it going bro? i havent seen you on in a LONG time.
thread related: Rocket is the man, those camshafts are real. and unbelievable. along with the other products he makes. if i owned a honda i would get those cams just to prove him right.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Kamin)
rocket is the man, his valvesprings will not let you float a valve. just when u thought u floated a valve by overrevving to 11,500, it was actually a #4 plug wire popping off 
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
Hehe Hi man,
It's posts like these, that keep me so patiently waiting for my stuff. I know its good stuff. I'll offer my soon to be ls/vtec to be a guinea pig
Bernie
by the way, i'm a believer, i'm a big big believer, and so are all my friends with Rx7's and 240's. They want ur stuff
It's posts like these, that keep me so patiently waiting for my stuff. I know its good stuff. I'll offer my soon to be ls/vtec to be a guinea pig
Bernie
by the way, i'm a believer, i'm a big big believer, and so are all my friends with Rx7's and 240's. They want ur stuff
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
I have nothing against you or your products, but I must say, this post makes you come off as very arrogant. There is a difference between being confident, and being arrogant. I buy stuff from people that are confident, and I don't buy stuff off of people that are arrogant.
I dunno. I haven't caught any of the previous drama, so maybe I'm way off base.
I dunno. I haven't caught any of the previous drama, so maybe I'm way off base.
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Re: (Roro)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Roro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ill test a d16z6 cam for you </TD></TR></TABLE>
I am in the process of building up a collection of loaner cams for this purporse.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I am in the process of building up a collection of loaner cams for this purporse.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (martini)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have nothing against you or your products, but I must say, this post makes you come off as very arrogant. There is a difference between being confident, and being arrogant. I buy stuff from people that are confident, and I don't buy stuff off of people that are arrogant.
I dunno. I haven't caught any of the previous drama, so maybe I'm way off base.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe the definition of arrogant is thinking that one is better than everyone else. Then I guess I am guilty of this when it comes to the stuff I mentioned above. But thinking that you are worse than everyone else is called having low self-esteem.
I wouldn't post this stuff if it weren't true. There are alot of good things to say about TODA, JUN, and some of the other top brands. But that doesn't stop us from shooting higher.
The drama goes like this, I have not posted one piece of BS on this site, so to make remarks as to the authenticity of my posts smacks of disrespect. For a long time I have ignored it but some take silence as defualt admission of what some are claiming re the "realness" of my posts. The title post is my answer.
Modified by Rocket at 1:27 AM 6/12/2003
I dunno. I haven't caught any of the previous drama, so maybe I'm way off base.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe the definition of arrogant is thinking that one is better than everyone else. Then I guess I am guilty of this when it comes to the stuff I mentioned above. But thinking that you are worse than everyone else is called having low self-esteem.
I wouldn't post this stuff if it weren't true. There are alot of good things to say about TODA, JUN, and some of the other top brands. But that doesn't stop us from shooting higher.
The drama goes like this, I have not posted one piece of BS on this site, so to make remarks as to the authenticity of my posts smacks of disrespect. For a long time I have ignored it but some take silence as defualt admission of what some are claiming re the "realness" of my posts. The title post is my answer.
Modified by Rocket at 1:27 AM 6/12/2003
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what do you have that's comparable to skunk2 stage 1's?
what's your take on the advantage of your cams vs. the sk2 stage 1's?
looks like you've got good stuff.
s
Modified by stevel at 2:45 PM 6/11/2003
Modified by stevel at 3:04 PM 6/11/2003
what's your take on the advantage of your cams vs. the sk2 stage 1's?
looks like you've got good stuff.
s
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what do you have that's comparable to skunk2 stage 1's?
what's your take on the advantage of your cams vs. the sk2 stage 1's?
looks like you've got good stuf.
s</TD></TR></TABLE>
That would be the m22's. Not really comparable since the m22 grind has pretty aggressive lift.
what's your take on the advantage of your cams vs. the sk2 stage 1's?
looks like you've got good stuf.
s</TD></TR></TABLE>
That would be the m22's. Not really comparable since the m22 grind has pretty aggressive lift.
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Re: (Rocket)
im down to test the M-24 ...let me know
if there good as my toda ..i will send you a check or paypal you whatever you want
my n-a setup is brand new and already made 228@ wheels with Toda B
im up for it ..
and maybe a set for my new turbo Crx that will be out and about in the next month or so
email me at Revhardeg@aol.com
if there good as my toda ..i will send you a check or paypal you whatever you want
my n-a setup is brand new and already made 228@ wheels with Toda B
im up for it ..
and maybe a set for my new turbo Crx that will be out and about in the next month or so
email me at Revhardeg@aol.com
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B20---Vtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im down to test the M-24 ...let me know
if there good as my toda ..i will send you a check or paypal you whatever you want
my n-a setup is brand new and already made 228@ wheels with Toda B
im up for it ..
and maybe a set for my new turbo Crx that will be out and about in the next month or so
email me at Revhardeg@aol.com</TD></TR></TABLE>
Will do. I try to set-up some time at TrackMasters dyno to get the "proof" out there.
if there good as my toda ..i will send you a check or paypal you whatever you want
my n-a setup is brand new and already made 228@ wheels with Toda B
im up for it ..
and maybe a set for my new turbo Crx that will be out and about in the next month or so
email me at Revhardeg@aol.com</TD></TR></TABLE>
Will do. I try to set-up some time at TrackMasters dyno to get the "proof" out there.
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Re: Rocket Challenge (Rocket)
I would love to do a test.
I have Toda "D"s in the car right now. Doing some testing at IB tomorrow, will call you to set up something maybe next month?...
I have Toda "D"s in the car right now. Doing some testing at IB tomorrow, will call you to set up something maybe next month?...
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Re: (Rocket)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Will do. I try to set-up some time at TrackMasters dyno to get the "proof" out there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
COOL Im down to come through right away
no waiting
email me to set somethin up ..
my work schedule is flexible
Will do. I try to set-up some time at TrackMasters dyno to get the "proof" out there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
COOL Im down to come through right away
no waiting
email me to set somethin up ..
my work schedule is flexible
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Re: (Rocket)
cool.
one more question. i'll just put this down here.
also, what would you recommend for my application? i have a b16a2, CTR pistons, spoon headgasket (so 11.5 CR or so), skunk2 stage 1's, stock head, ITR/portflow valvetrain, stock IM and TB (maybe upgrading to ITR TB and IM), JDM ITR 4-1 header, testpipe, apexi WS exhaust, hondata stage 4, itr flywheel, skunk2 cam gears, JDM ITR tranny, yada yada. I'd like something that gives as much midrange as possible. I'm not worried about revving to 9k. Peaking at about 8200 or so is fine, maybe 8500.
Let me know what you think.
s
one more question. i'll just put this down here.
also, what would you recommend for my application? i have a b16a2, CTR pistons, spoon headgasket (so 11.5 CR or so), skunk2 stage 1's, stock head, ITR/portflow valvetrain, stock IM and TB (maybe upgrading to ITR TB and IM), JDM ITR 4-1 header, testpipe, apexi WS exhaust, hondata stage 4, itr flywheel, skunk2 cam gears, JDM ITR tranny, yada yada. I'd like something that gives as much midrange as possible. I'm not worried about revving to 9k. Peaking at about 8200 or so is fine, maybe 8500.
Let me know what you think.
s
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Re: (stevel)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cool.
one more question. i'll just put this down here.
also, what would you recommend for my application? i have a b16a2, CTR pistons, spoon headgasket (so 11.5 CR or so), skunk2 stage 1's, stock head, ITR/portflow valvetrain, stock IM and TB (maybe upgrading to ITR TB and IM), JDM ITR 4-1 header, testpipe, apexi WS exhaust, hondata stage 4, itr flywheel, skunk2 cam gears, JDM ITR tranny, yada yada. I'd like something that gives as much midrange as possible. I'm not worried about revving to 9k. Peaking at about 8200 or so is fine, maybe 8500.
Let me know what you think.
s</TD></TR></TABLE>
M21 or M22 with ef-1 springs. I would go with the M22 to be on the wild side since you also have the 4.78 FD JDM ITR tranny.
The M22 will allow you to with a bigger bottom end later with less top end restriction.
one more question. i'll just put this down here.
also, what would you recommend for my application? i have a b16a2, CTR pistons, spoon headgasket (so 11.5 CR or so), skunk2 stage 1's, stock head, ITR/portflow valvetrain, stock IM and TB (maybe upgrading to ITR TB and IM), JDM ITR 4-1 header, testpipe, apexi WS exhaust, hondata stage 4, itr flywheel, skunk2 cam gears, JDM ITR tranny, yada yada. I'd like something that gives as much midrange as possible. I'm not worried about revving to 9k. Peaking at about 8200 or so is fine, maybe 8500.
Let me know what you think.
s</TD></TR></TABLE>
M21 or M22 with ef-1 springs. I would go with the M22 to be on the wild side since you also have the 4.78 FD JDM ITR tranny.
The M22 will allow you to with a bigger bottom end later with less top end restriction.
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Re: (Rocket)
cool. thanks. 
for the customer service!
M22's ever been dyno'd on a b16a before? I wouldn't mind dynoing them for ya if you want. I've got access to some pretty cheap dyno time. Let me know.
steve
for the customer service!M22's ever been dyno'd on a b16a before? I wouldn't mind dynoing them for ya if you want. I've got access to some pretty cheap dyno time. Let me know.
steve
