N/A to approx. 300HP? How?
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N/A to approx. 300HP? How?
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the British Touring Car Championships have cars that were putting out about 300HP on 2000cc engines N/A? How do they do that? Apart from engine management, ported everything, balanced everything, better cams, better pistons, better valvetrain components, lighter engine parts, better ignition sustems, better breathing, what else is there to do to get better output from an N/A car?
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (ExAcc)
NBE (Neil Brown Engineering) used to modify the motors for Honda. I'm not sure which company is currently contracted to develop/maintain those motors. I think its in one of the mags this month.. some Italian company I believe
Don't even think about buying one $$$$
ps. Have you ever seen the intakes on those cars when the hood is popped open ?? Looks something like an F18 ram intake. HUGE
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Don't even think about buying one $$$$
ps. Have you ever seen the intakes on those cars when the hood is popped open ?? Looks something like an F18 ram intake. HUGE
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (ExAcc)
Apart from engine management, ported everything, balanced everything, better cams, better pistons, better valvetrain components, lighter engine parts, better ignition sustems, better breathing, what else is there to do to get better output from an N/A car?
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (Mover)
Actually, whatI think is really cool is the sequential trnsmission that they have. Much like the M3 SMG II. Has anyone switched to one of these trannys?
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (dohcsideSi)
that 300 crank hp...how you ask??? mad duckets and an engineering team....
290-300 WHP is my all motor goal..... although for drag....
290-300 WHP is my all motor goal..... although for drag....
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (sgT)
probably crank rated hp.
The rules said that they couldn't spin the motor more than 8500 rpm.
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (Zeus)
Might want to look into a DART/Payne tall, long block...
not feeling thati have a golden eagle block 3/4" deck plate, a big crank, 10k rpms.. thats all i'm gonna tell you
some itb's, some big cams and custom side exit header i don't think i'll be that far off.....[Modified by dohcsideSi, 3:48 AM 8/29/2002]
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (dohcsideSi)
Keep "feeling" things and you will go blind young man...
Your argument walks two paths to a similar destination... yet not.
I may have misread, but the cars he is refering to have nothing, but nothing to due with a quarter mile pass...
Your argument walks two paths to a similar destination... yet not.
I may have misread, but the cars he is refering to have nothing, but nothing to due with a quarter mile pass...
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (Zeus)
I may have misread, but the cars he is refering to have nothing, but nothing to due with a quarter mile pass...
.....i just don't like the idea of the payn block...they don't and won't allow a custom head in competetion so why should they allow these blocks...but bottom line is it's the same deal as full tube chasis, center drive and sequential trannys... they don't belong in the all motor class...which is supposed to be the door slammer class of import racing...not the "outlaw" $50k+ monsters that are going to be coming out next season....hopefully the sanctioning bodies will realize that they are going to need a new unlimited/outlaw class soon.
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (Top Fuel ITR)
Can you say DECK PLATE..........
160 NA hp/liter with an 8500 rpm redline.
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (ExAcc)
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the British Touring Car Championships have cars that were putting out about 300HP on 2000cc engines N/A? How do they do that? Apart from engine management, ported everything, balanced everything, better cams, better pistons, better valvetrain components, lighter engine parts, better ignition sustems, better breathing, what else is there to do to get better output from an N/A car?
For the honda accords in btcc, they chop the lower non vtec lobes fromt he cams and put it thru some chilling process, John Grudynski does that all the time, as a matter of fact, thats the first thing he told me about when I showed him my Toda killers.
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (CHEETAH)
those cars rev to a gazillion rpm and readily maintain torque at that high prm which equates to very high peak HP. I've dyno'd a german destroked 2.2 liter M3 sold by BMW, it pushed 291hp at the wheels @ around 10,500 RPM. the motor revved to 13,200 rpm if I remember.
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Check this link out on the Primera
http://www.promotorsport.co.uk/salehire/technical.doc
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (Mover)
the answer to this post-
btcc limits you to 300brake hp...so account for a 20% driveline loss with those sequential xtrac type trannies and your @ 240 whp...not out of this world, especially with seemingly bottomless pockets funding your project...
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btcc limits you to 300brake hp...so account for a 20% driveline loss with those sequential xtrac type trannies and your @ 240 whp...not out of this world, especially with seemingly bottomless pockets funding your project...
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (builthatch)
the answer to this post-
btcc limits you to 300brake hp...so account for a 20% driveline loss with those sequential xtrac type trannies and your @ 240 whp...not out of this world, especially with seemingly bottomless pockets funding your project...
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btcc limits you to 300brake hp...so account for a 20% driveline loss with those sequential xtrac type trannies and your @ 240 whp...not out of this world, especially with seemingly bottomless pockets funding your project...
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the NA 2 liter. There was no limit on hp. Amazing what a big budget can do.
http://www.promotorsport.co.uk/salehire/technical.doc
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (Mover)
skunk is making 285 whp and this company which is owned by my brother's friend don't laugh but it's called weapon R LoL he just had JG build him a motor which he told my brother is making more then skunk's.... he's going to race it for the first time at sear's point this sept. 6-7 race !!! he's trying to take the title... i doubt anything he makes is on that car except for an intake lol ... if you're wondering what motor it is.... it's a b16a stroked and bored to a 2.2-3 i can't remember which one
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Re: N/A to approx. 300HP? How? (Mover)
the answer to this post-
btcc limits you to 300brake hp...so account for a 20% driveline loss with those sequential xtrac type trannies and your @ 240 whp...not out of this world, especially with seemingly bottomless pockets funding your project...
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Did you read the specs ? IMO approx 275 whp (maybe more) @ 8300 rpm from
the NA 2 liter. There was no limit on hp. Amazing what a big budget can do.
http://www.promotorsport.co.uk/salehire/technical.doc
That is my question....let me rephrase. Without any monetary budget limit. What else are they doing to achieve such an amount of HP at 8300 which implies that they have a tremedous amount of torque to generate this power at a relatively low RPM.
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btcc limits you to 300brake hp...so account for a 20% driveline loss with those sequential xtrac type trannies and your @ 240 whp...not out of this world, especially with seemingly bottomless pockets funding your project...
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Did you read the specs ? IMO approx 275 whp (maybe more) @ 8300 rpm from
the NA 2 liter. There was no limit on hp. Amazing what a big budget can do.
http://www.promotorsport.co.uk/salehire/technical.doc
That is my question....let me rephrase. Without any monetary budget limit. What else are they doing to achieve such an amount of HP at 8300 which implies that they have a tremedous amount of torque to generate this power at a relatively low RPM.
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