if i installed the camshafts w/ the cam gears on

 

It would not have any affect on cam timing..the gears are indexed in only one spot. Just take the motor off TDC when installing cams so there is no chance of valve to piston contact. Be very careful and install like it says in helms.

 

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oh man i didn't think about that, ive spun the cams in a buncha different directions, maybe even 360...dont remember...is that gonna cause serious damange to the valves?

 

As long as it spun somewhat smoothly you probably didnt do any harm. If you are turning the cam and it suddenly stops...its hitting the piston.

 

okay thanx

i went and adjusted the cams so that pins fit into the #2 cam cover and cams, and the up arrows are at an \ \ angle, but the knotchs on the gears do not match up. Am i good to go?

 

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I don't quite know what you are talking about here. When the cams and gears are installed, the arrows point like this a bit..\..\ Now the two notches in the middle of the gear face each other...-..-.. Then put the crank on TDC and put the belt on.

 

dude, just get the cams gears in the up position, line up the horizontal marks in the gears, keep them there; put the timing belt over the gears( i usually zip tie the belt to the gears so that it wont slip off when instaling).
next line up the bottom end, slip the belt on the crank sproket and finally through the tensioner.

 

like everyone says.. the cam gears will not point directly up, rather they will point directly up on the axis of the engine. line up the hash marks on the sides of the pulleys parallel with the head surface and you're good to go.

the LS and B16 both use PR3 cam gears, so thats not the problem. from what i understand, you use the timing belt that matches the water pump.

b16 oil & water pump = b16 timing belt
b18 oil & water pump = b18 timing belt
b16 oil pump, b18 water pump = b18 timing belt.

someone correct me if im wrong..

btw, make sure you're using a 6 point socket, as 12 point sockets will most likely strip an overly tight bolt.

 

Okay what i was trying to say, the arrows are point at the \ \ angle and the hash marks on the gears do not line up next to each other, they aren't like the -..-. There are holes in the camshafts and the cover that goes over them. When the cam timing is set correctly, u can put 5 mm pin punches into these holes and they will line up with the camshafts. So i have 2 out of the 3 ways correct for determing correct cam timing.

 

if you cannot get the horizontal marks to line up with the arrows pointing up, im baffled. Dont worry about the 5mm punch thing. Line those -..- in the middle and the arrows at \..\ and put it together!

 

Alright i finally got the timing belt on, thanx anyone
here are the pics of how my cam gears are set w/ the #1 cylinder at TDC

http://www.geocities.com/gwinquisitor14/TDC1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/gwinquisitor14/TDC2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/gwinquisitor14/TDC3.jpg

Let me know if that is correct

 

The pictures are very poor, but its retarded a few teeth. They need to be to the right, toward the firewall.

 

sorry the pics are taken with a camera phone. So i should only have to give it a small turn? or do they have to be more of a / / then a \ \?


Just to keep u updated, i might have stripped the tensioner bolt because now i am having trouble getting the bolt tight. I might have to pull the motor out.

 

those cams are way off...please seriously do yourself a favor and buy a service manual....

 

i do have a service manual. Have u read anything i said? I am asking how to set them up because i cannot get the gears to line up the way it says in the service manual. I do not want to repeat what ive said probably 3 times now, so read up. If they are so off, how are they to be set up?

 

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if YOU read what i posted; or what everybody is posting above then you would know...
line up the HORIZONTAL marks on the gears, dont worry about the up marks...
you need to get the tensioner looser in order to set cam timing right.

No need to get nasty or nobody will help you.

 

I don't know what to say anymore.

 

Sorry i just took it as an attempt to flame me and be not productive.

i am just really confused and i want to get the cam timing set up right. Ill line up the hash marks and then take another pic, so hopefully someone can confirm that it is correct.

 

bump

 

Here are the pics of how i have the cam gears now, the marks on the side of the cams line up. It is hard to tell by the pics that the marks line up but they do. What im looking for is, is the placement of the cams correct? I was told that i was a few teeth off, is this correct now because it was shifted a few teeth towards the firewall.

http://www.geocities.com/gwinquisitor14/TDC4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/gwinquisitor14/TDC5.jpg

thanks everyone

 

That looks correct. The up arrows are pointing up or down in the pic? Put all the slack from the belt on the left side for the tensioner to take up.

 

yeah the up arrows are pointing up.

QUOTE=Runnerdown]Put all the slack from the belt on the left side for the tensioner to take up.[/QUOTE]
I was gonna try that, ive been having some trouble getting the belt to tension correctly. I dont think I am doing it correctly. What brings the tension back onto the belt, the tightening of the adjusting bolt or the turn the crank 3 degrees. My helms says to do that, but i dont get what they are saying because wont that throw the cam timing off?

 

You pivot the tensioner so the spring expands and tighten the bolt. Then when you have all your slack over, you loosen the bolt. That will pop the tensioner against the belt. Then you tighten the bolt back up again. You may want to rotate the crank back and forth afterwards and redo the tension and double check the marks.

 

thanx everyone, i got the timing belt on, the tension set up correctly and the cam gears set up also.

 

alright so i thought i had the cam timing set up correctly but the car will not start. If you crank it over and have some1 put their hand over the exhaust, u can feel a suction. So its off. I also had a friend of mine, a GM and Ford technician. take a look at it and thats what he said it wrong. If its off a few teeth, would the prevent the car from starting?