<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudeyKrus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

So what is that piece of pipe supposed to do?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think he means to make the sleeve more solid. for example, the ground control kit comes with urethane sleeves that you fit inbetween the shock and spring sleeve.

edit: the urethane between the shock body and gc sleeve is more of a.. well, sleeve. its cut down the middle.


Modified by carsaregood at 2:12 AM 1/8/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mntdewred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I was to look into Teins (which I'm highly considering now) which model should I be looking for?</TD></TR></TABLE>

if you get teins, maybe go for the ss. they have the same spring rates as the basics, but you can adjust the damping level. so if you are looking for a smooth ride, you probably want to set it on the softer side...

if you go with ground controls, you can get a spring with any stiffness you want.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
if you get teins, maybe go for the ss. they have the same spring rates as the basics, but you can adjust the damping level. so if you are looking for a smooth ride, you probably want to set it on the softer side...
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ugh...

Changing the dampening will NOT make the ride smooth. You are simply making your suspension under-dampened, which not only still leaves you with the very stiff spring rates (uncomfortable), but with out the dampening to control the bound/rebound you just made your car extremely bouncy as well.

I can't believe how many people don't know how a shock functions in relation to the spring.

 

style teg -

i know how a shock and spring function.

i said that if he sets the shock at a lower damping level, it'll feel smoother, because the shock will take longer to damp out the spring oscillation. i'm also pretty sure that the teins on the softest setting will not be underdamped.

the teins DO have relatively high spring rates, but he asked about which one would better suit his needs, so i gave him an answer.

am i wrong?

 

They are underdampened at their lowest setting. I have ridden in a car with Type Flex, and even before the lowest setting they start to get bouncy.

The shock will take longer to dampen out the spring oscillation, true, but as a result you are going to end up bouncing up and down which does not feel smooth. A properly dampened car feels smoother than a car that is underdampened.

If you are just looking for lowering and smoothness, tein is not the way to go. The spring rates are too high, and it requires a high level of dampening.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StyleTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If you are just looking for lowering and smoothness, tein is not the way to go. The spring rates are too high, and it requires a high level of dampening.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lowering and smoothness....ding ding ding, we have a winner

ground controls with kyb agx adjustable gas shocks ??? or

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mntdewred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
ground controls with kyb agx adjustable gas shocks ??? or </TD></TR></TABLE>cheap and good. do some research on a reasonable spring rate since you do have the option of getting custom rates with ground control. as far as kyb goes: i have read too many stories of voided warranties due to excessive lowering. if you have the extra $ i would recommend koni yellows. i love mine and my parents occasionally use my car to get groceries or whatever and both of them love the konis.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StyleTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They are underdampened at their lowest setting. I have ridden in a car with Type Flex, and even before the lowest setting they start to get bouncy.

The shock will take longer to dampen out the spring oscillation, true, but as a result you are going to end up bouncing up and down which does not feel smooth. A properly dampened car feels smoother than a car that is underdampened.

If you are just looking for lowering and smoothness, tein is not the way to go. The spring rates are too high, and it requires a high level of dampening.</TD></TR></TABLE>

just want to point out that the spring rates of type flex are considerably higher than the ss's. if i am not mistaken, the spring rates of the ss's are similar to gc's.

i agree that a properly damped coilover system is desired for a smooth ride, but i think that what carsaregood meant was that you could adjust the damping to slow down the rate of decay of motion. a lower damping rate does NOT necessarily mean that the car will bounce up and down. it is definitely possible to adjust the coilovers without causing it to be underdamped (allowing for oscillations), as the teins have multiple settings and you do not necessarily have to use the lowest. i am sure that not all settings are under the critically damped point.

but yeah, if he's looking for a "smooth" ride, and he's getting 17's and performance isn't a high priority, then yeah, get soft, progressive wound springs like h&r oe sports or somethin. i dunno.

Edit: ss & gc comparison above was based on civic specs. may differ between other models. go ahead and disregard this info if my assumption was wrong. just realized he never specified what car he is lowering.


Modified by svw at 9:45 AM 1/11/2004