My setup
b18c1 block: stressed releaved gsr rods;arp rod bolts
p73 itr pistons
acl bearings
itr water pump and oil pump
rebalanced crank
bored and honed to 81.5mm
97 GSR head with 01 itr cams
Skunk2 intake manifold
itr tb.....


so i rechecked my timing with the timing gun and my tdc mark was way off...i couldnt get it to line up so i drove it around the block with it retarded and i floored it to see how it would run because it seemed to drive fine...it felt really weak so i took it apart to redo my timing..and now my car wont start...re did the timing to many times....need help people....

 

bump for help.....

checked my dizzy and starter....everything is fine...i have spark and it cranks...just wont ignite...

 

Hi
the starter sill runing? but no spark!
Dit you remove Dizzy and put it the wrong way?
check inginiton coil!
Can tou hear the fuel pump? and car smell fuel?
Do you have CEL?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david974 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi
the starter sill runing? but no spark!
Dit you remove Dizzy and put it the wrong way?
check inginiton coil!
Can tou hear the fuel pump? and car smell fuel?
Do you have CEL?</TD></TR></TABLE>


starter is fine...dizzy is fine....no CEL...so im thinking my timing is off...but its how i always do my timing...so im kind of lost...tried push starting it...wont work either...the only thing i messed with is my timing...because i drove it before i re did my timing...so gotta redo it again

 

what timing??? Cam timing or ignition timing??

If your cam timing is in spec, then you should be able to adjust ignition timing to spec if you have the proper parts installed....

 

stock cam gears...i have...timing as in making sure my crank pulley is at tdc and aligning my cams up...

 

still no results...have done timing to many times to ever have this kind of problem..obviously something is wrong or im forgetting to do something...baught new dizzy and coil....bummed out about this crap..car has been sitting for a week...

 

UP arrows point straight up but my tdc marks on my cam gears do not line up...anyone ever have this problem?

 

align the tdc marks on the cam so that they are level with each other, just becaiuse the up arrows are straight up to you doesn't mean their where their suppose to be. and of couurse make sure the mark is ligned up on the crank. hope this helps

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wannakno &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">align the tdc marks on the cam so that they are level with each other, just becaiuse the up arrows are straight up to you doesn't mean their where their suppose to be. and of couurse make sure the mark is ligned up on the crank. hope this helps</TD></TR></TABLE>

i hope it does too...tried it many times...with other options also...gettn nothing....starting to think its electrical or something...no idea...no CEL

 

if it's not ignition timing...

take off belt and line up crank line, and tdc lines to point AT EACH OTHER and make sure timing belt tensioner is only finger tight...
there are 5mm pin holes in the cams to put a 5mm pin punch in to keep the cams staright while putting on the belt or else it's almost impossible
put belt on crank pulley, then exhaust cam, intake cam, and then timing belt tensioner and lastly water pump because it spins freely(basically slack is on the intake side)
tighten up the tensioner and rotate the crank counterclockwise unitl it gets very snug, about 3 cam gears...
loosen tensioner and give it a minor wack to loosen the tensioner and tighten down so you can spin the crank and have equal tension

if problem still happens it's your ignition timing that your can adjust with a timing gun and turning your dizzy
or...your not doing something right if your valves arent shot

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lmike6453 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if it's not ignition timing...

take off belt and line up crank line, and tdc lines to point AT EACH OTHER and make sure timing belt tensioner is only finger tight...
there are 5mm pin holes in the cams to put a 5mm pin punch in to keep the cams staright while putting on the belt or else it's almost impossible
put belt on crank pulley, then exhaust cam, intake cam, and then timing belt tensioner and lastly water pump because it spins freely(basically slack is on the intake side)
tighten up the tensioner and rotate the crank counterclockwise unitl it gets very snug, about 3 cam gears...
loosen tensioner and give it a minor wack to loosen the tensioner and tighten down so you can spin the crank and have equal tension

if problem still happens it's your ignition timing that your can adjust with a timing gun and turning your dizzy
or...your not doing something right if your valves arent shot</TD></TR></TABLE>

done almost everything here...still nothing...i tried turning it on yesterday and i got smoke coming from my filter...or below it...and from my manifold i believe....so i have no idea...timing is to good to be messed with anymore...my head hurts...dont know what else could go wrong...

 

from your fuel filter??
check ignition timing and i would do a compression test if possible to narrow things down...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lmike6453 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from your fuel filter??
check ignition timing and i would do a compression test if possible to narrow things down...</TD></TR></TABLE>

air filter...thinking im short circuit somewhere....i did a comp test and got 130 across the board...im starting to think its something electrical...

 

did you try pulling off the distributor and turning the key 180 degrees? check all connections? battery dead from cranking it all the time?

 

howcome you're only getting 130 psi for your compression??? i did mine yesterday and got 195-200 all the way across....i posted some pictures on my myspace.

so you got fuel pressure, spark and timing is good....... what ecu are you running?
you should try a different ECU and check your wiring connections. i had that problem when i tried to use the itr ecu on my 2000 civic ex. i guess the itr ecu's have what they call an immobilizer on them...

 

i would say that your battery is shot from cranking it i get 203-213 compression and after a compression test my battery barely starts the car and i just bought it last year...
and i also noticed that you did ALMOST everythign i said in my above post...almost doesn't count when troubleshooting my friend...

 

this is what my car sounded like right after i did my timing belt, tensioner, and water pump and i did ALMOST everything i should of...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxHvN16Y3Bc
i was pissed after a few lonnnggggggg days of work

 

wow that doesn't sound good.. did you adjust your valve lash? or maybe the valves are touching the pistons.. timing belt way off?

 

i fixed it-no bent valves...the part i did wrong was i tensioned the belt twice...it was tight..just not perfect even tension when spinning the crank

 

Didn't bother to read the rest, haha but put in new spark plugs or brush them off good with a wire brush. They could may have fouled if you weren't running good.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vmoua509 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">howcome you're only getting 130 psi for your compression??? i did mine yesterday and got 195-200 all the way across....i posted some pictures on my myspace.

so you got fuel pressure, spark and timing is good....... what ecu are you running?
you should try a different ECU and check your wiring connections. i had that problem when i tried to use the itr ecu on my 2000 civic ex. i guess the itr ecu's have what they call an immobilizer on them...</TD></TR></TABLE>


car is cold..so comp wont be hi...i did mine when it was warm 2 weeks ago...and it was 220 across the board...but im running a chipped p28 ecu with a gsr base map on it..and i also tried my stock p72 ecu on it..but got nothing..im kinda clueless...maybe u can stop by and check it out...but glad to see you on honda-tech uncle von..ahahhaa

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sorrule &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Didn't bother to read the rest, haha but put in new spark plugs or brush them off good with a wire brush. They could may have fouled if you weren't running good.</TD></TR></TABLE>


spark plugs are good..tried different set..did the same thing...


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lmike6453 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would say that your battery is shot from cranking it i get 203-213 compression and after a compression test my battery barely starts the car and i just bought it last year...
and i also noticed that you did ALMOST everythign i said in my above post...almost doesn't count when troubleshooting my friend...</TD></TR></TABLE>


tried two different batteries...still nothing..have fuel and spark in all cylinders....might have to adjust timing again..but this will be my 30th time or so

 

are you sure your firing order is right?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sorrule &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you sure your firing order is right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

what u mean?