Hello to all my honda-tech members. I just came back from my vacation in D.R. and I saw something that was pretty dangerous but interesting that I wanted to share with you guys.

In D.R. cars are adapted to use GAS instead of GASOLINE. They do this to minimize the cost of fuel because gasoline is to expensive for them.

Here are some pics that I took for you guys to see.

This pic shows how the guy pluging the gas line to fill up the tank (located on the truck).


This pic shows the tank on the truck and the way is mounted.


This pic shows what we would call the "pump"


This pic shows the system (converter) that injects or somewhat releases the gas inside the manifold. (circled in red)

 

Nothing new here in Europe. A lot of cars run on gas (LPG) here. It's not so dangerous anymore.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DutchITR1689 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing new here in Europe. A lot of cars run on gas (LPG) here. It's not so dangerous anymore.....</TD></TR></TABLE>something about that set-up B18CRSpec shows is still pretty scary to me

 

propane?

A lot of public transportation had adopted this here in ATL.

There are lots of busses and the like that use it..... Burns clean.

 

All of our work Vehicles run on Propane as well as one of my personal vehicles.

 

looks dangerous, not that gasoline can't be

 

Could be CNG too (compressed natural gas)

Taxis here run on that

 

I was thinking about buying a 92ish Civic and doing that to it, but NG prices change so much and are expensive during the winter. The octane would be crazy though....16:1 on pump, aahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaha

STFU Blue Bear.

 

Cool stuff, never seen anything like it. Apparantly I don't get out much.

 

Here in Malaysia almost all Taxi's use GAS, cheaper and more eco friendly

 

My old flat deck ran on propane. Robs a bit of power from the vehicle but the savings in fuel were worth it back then

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dFreezy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">something about that set-up B18CRSpec shows is still pretty scary to me </TD></TR></TABLE>

The engine would actually run better on propane.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by C&D &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">New fuel lines were fitted, along with a new fuel rail and injectors from Bi-Phase Technologies of Lake Lillian, Minnesota. As propane actually has a higher calorific value than gasoline, its stoichiometric ratio—the ideal air-fuel mixture—is 15.7:1 versus gasoline's at 14.7:1. The smaller injectors obviate the need for any change to the car's stock powertrain controller. And with an octane value of 104, propane is ideal for high-compression engines. </TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.caranddriver.com/ar...ber=1

 

No more smoking in cars.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dogginator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The engine would actually run better on propane.
</TD></TR></TABLE>More efficiently but not make as much power. I have yet to see a propane powered vehicle make close to as much power as it's gasoline powered counterpart. I'm sure with more $$ incolved in research that could change though. A bone stock triton v10 makes about 50 more hp and 20 more lb ft of torque than that interceptor. Of course that car in the link you sent was cool as hell. And propane runs cool so nitrous would be a very good option.

 

ya in South Korean they use LPG gas on taxi these days..also ffew of vans,cars,trucks

 

ok enough is enough, what about the performance possibilities of this in our cars

 

I´m running my EG9 on LPG because here in Germany gasoline is very expensive. here some pics:






LPG contains here 60% Propan/Butan and 40% alcohol. The temperature in the bottle is -47°C so it stays liquid. LPG has about 103-110 octane, it depends on the mixture of the gases and alcohol.
With the old tarantini system, it had a loss of 10-20% in performance and 10-20% more gas usage in comparison with gasoline.

I have on my EG9 a sequential system, that means that I have a second ECU and 4 LPG-injectors for each cylinder on the intake manifold, normally it should have nearly the same performance as with gasoline, and the LPG usage shoud be also nearly the same. My car runs a bit weaker with LPG, but I don´d care so much , because if I want to race I can switch any time to gasoline. The only disantvantage is the extra weight in the trunk. There is a new system called icom, where no LPG injectors are needed, the gas is injected through the stock injectors, with this method an increased performance of 10% should be possible due to the higher octane and low temperature of LPG, but I don´t know exactly if that is true

 

^ very interesting

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Leventis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I´m running my EG9 on LPG because here in Germany gasoline is very expensive.

LPG contains here 60% Propan/Butan and 40% alcohol. The temperature in the bottle is -47°C so it stays liquid. LPG has about 103-110 octane, it depends on the mixture of the gases and alcohol.
With the old tarantini system, it had a loss of 10-20% in performance and 10-20% more gas usage in comparison with gasoline.

I have on my EG9 a sequential system, that means that I have a second ECU and 4 LPG-injectors for each cylinder on the intake manifold, normally it should have nearly the same performance as with gasoline, and the LPG usage shoud be also nearly the same. My car runs a bit weaker with LPG, but I don´d care so much , because if I want to race I can switch any time to gasoline. The only disantvantage is the extra weight in the trunk. There is a new system called icom, where no LPG injectors are needed, the gas is injected through the stock injectors, with this method an increased performance of 10% should be possible due to the higher octane and low temperature of LPG, but I don´t know exactly if that is true</TD></TR></TABLE>

It would be interesting to see the result of increasing your compression ratio to take advantage of the higher octane rating. Does 13.5:1 sound too high?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sack Master &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">More efficiently but not make as much power. I have yet to see a propane powered vehicle make close to as much power as it's gasoline powered counterpart. I'm sure with more $$ incolved in research that could change though. A bone stock triton v10 makes about 50 more hp and 20 more lb ft of torque than that interceptor. Of course that car in the link you sent was cool as hell. And propane runs cool so nitrous would be a very good option.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Grilling and whip-its: together at last!

Hey with a propane powered vehicle, it would be possible to have a grill attachment. Mmm... barbecue.

 

Weird

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dogginator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Grilling and whip-its: together at last!

Hey with a propane powered vehicle, it would be possible to have a grill attachment. Mmm... barbecue.</TD></TR></TABLE>I like your reasoning