A Few guestions from a N00b
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A Few guestions from a N00b
Well hello guys, brand new to this site and to Honda itself. Im a Victom of crankwalk from my 93 TSi AWd. I have been trying to read up as much as i can, and i have searched but have come up almost empty. I was looking into H22 Swap in to a 93 hatch. Now i dont know much about it, but is that a good way to head for a swap? if i do plan on turbo in the next few winters shoudl i go with a ls? or will a H22 be ok? Sorry to post old stuff but im new!! THanks
PS where can i get best price on swaps?
PS where can i get best price on swaps?
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (StreetGT)
h22a is an ok engine for turbo, but the sleeves are kind of weak. For higher boost, you'll want to sleeve it. Are you sure you want to shoehorn that thing into an EG hatch? That thing will need some pretty serious suspension tuning to make it not understeer like a ****.
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Somthing else you might wanna look into (depending on your budget etc...) are the B18C and B18B from the Type-R and the GSR. Nice engines for long term high power projects. If thats what your looking for.
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Well basicly i want to drop in a good power house. Ive came to the likeing of the H22. Seem to be a good Power to Money Investment. Now long term plan is to go turbo since i was a former dsm head, FI is where im best at.
PS. Is their anyway i can make a Turbo setup for my 93 Hatch that with some minor changes can fit a H22?
PS. Is their anyway i can make a Turbo setup for my 93 Hatch that with some minor changes can fit a H22?
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you sure you want to shoehorn that thing into an EG hatch? That thing will need some pretty serious suspension tuning to make it not understeer like a ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not true by far... That is BS rumors
Boost on an H22 will just be like any Honda motor with stock internals. 6-7 PSI maybe 8 with tuning on stock internals.
For swapping, search around on this site, and you`ll have millions of info pop up.
Modified by poison at 3:05 PM 9/16/2003
Not true by far... That is BS rumors
Boost on an H22 will just be like any Honda motor with stock internals. 6-7 PSI maybe 8 with tuning on stock internals.
For swapping, search around on this site, and you`ll have millions of info pop up.
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h22a is an ok engine for turbo, but the sleeves are kind of weak. For higher boost, you'll want to sleeve it. Are you sure you want to shoehorn that thing into an EG hatch? That thing will need some pretty serious suspension tuning to make it not understeer like a ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's hear-say man, I heard the H22 is only 40 or so lbs heavier than a b series
That's hear-say man, I heard the H22 is only 40 or so lbs heavier than a b series
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (VTECorona)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTECorona »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That's hear-say man, I heard the H22 is only 40 or so lbs heavier than a b series</TD></TR></TABLE>
which is how much heavier than the stock d-series? This is no hear-say. You will need to tune the suspension unless you enjoy understeer. Don't insult my intelligence.
That's hear-say man, I heard the H22 is only 40 or so lbs heavier than a b series</TD></TR></TABLE>
which is how much heavier than the stock d-series? This is no hear-say. You will need to tune the suspension unless you enjoy understeer. Don't insult my intelligence.
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
which is how much heavier than the stock d-series? This is no hear-say. You will need to tune the suspension unless you enjoy understeer. Don't insult my intelligence.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is definitely hear-say. Because it`s not true at all.
which is how much heavier than the stock d-series? This is no hear-say. You will need to tune the suspension unless you enjoy understeer. Don't insult my intelligence.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is definitely hear-say. Because it`s not true at all.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EG = chassis code for that generation of civics. 92-95..
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Not tryin to correct you or anything, but EG is for the japanese 92-95 civic hatches, EH is the code for the USDM 92-95 hatches. please correct me if im wrong.
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Not tryin to correct you or anything, but EG is for the japanese 92-95 civic hatches, EH is the code for the USDM 92-95 hatches. please correct me if im wrong.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by theJUMPoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not tryin to correct you or anything, but EG is for the japanese 92-95 civic hatches, EH is the code for the USDM 92-95 hatches. please correct me if im wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You would also be correct. But a lot of people refer EG`s simply for 92-95 Civic hatches. "Technically" it`s an EH, but it`s just a generic referance many people do.
Not tryin to correct you or anything, but EG is for the japanese 92-95 civic hatches, EH is the code for the USDM 92-95 hatches. please correct me if im wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You would also be correct. But a lot of people refer EG`s simply for 92-95 Civic hatches. "Technically" it`s an EH, but it`s just a generic referance many people do.
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What are your plans for the car? Drag, autox, track, just street? The first limit on most Hondas for FI is the block, specifically the cylinders. Any plans for high boost require heavy duty sleeves be installed.
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My plan for the Car is a Street/Strip 1/4 Mile car. like i said Turbo is much future i want to do a swap learn as much as i can, but some bult on in for now.
Ps thanks for all the help guys!!!
Ps thanks for all the help guys!!!
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (poison)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poison »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This is definitely hear-say. Because it`s not true at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>
If that's your opinion, then I would submit that you are unable to recognize understeer.. or have not compared it to a more neutrally balanced car.
This is definitely hear-say. Because it`s not true at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>
If that's your opinion, then I would submit that you are unable to recognize understeer.. or have not compared it to a more neutrally balanced car.
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If that's your opinion, then I would submit that you are unable to recognize understeer.. or have not compared it to a more neutrally balanced car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am able to recognize understeer, and have riden in several balanced cars with awesome suspension..
Seems that you have either not riden in an H22 Civic, or riden in one with no sway bars and mildly stock suspension..
If that's your opinion, then I would submit that you are unable to recognize understeer.. or have not compared it to a more neutrally balanced car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am able to recognize understeer, and have riden in several balanced cars with awesome suspension..
Seems that you have either not riden in an H22 Civic, or riden in one with no sway bars and mildly stock suspension..
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If that's your opinion, then I would submit that you are unable to recognize understeer.. or have not compared it to a more neutrally balanced car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You dont have any idea what you talking about....your making a mole hill into a mountain....
B18b,H22,b20b are all honda motors you would want to look at for turbo....i would go with the b20 IMO but it is lesser platform to start with than the H22....if you put a turbo h22 in a hatch even @8lbs you will in the 12's if you can drive and maitain traction...
If that's your opinion, then I would submit that you are unable to recognize understeer.. or have not compared it to a more neutrally balanced car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You dont have any idea what you talking about....your making a mole hill into a mountain....
B18b,H22,b20b are all honda motors you would want to look at for turbo....i would go with the b20 IMO but it is lesser platform to start with than the H22....if you put a turbo h22 in a hatch even @8lbs you will in the 12's if you can drive and maitain traction...
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (Eyewitness)
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You dont have any idea what you talking about....your making a mole hill into a mountain....
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I'm doing nothing of the sort, everyone else is. All I said, is that he will need some suspension tuning to make the car not understeer. And he WILL. It's not a big deal, but I don't like being told I "don't have any idea what I'm talking about". When you have no clue how much I really do know.
Keep thinking you can keep a stock suspension on the car and it won't have a lot of understeer. I don't care.
StreetGT: If you put an H22A in the car, you will need to upgrade and tune your suspension if you want it to handle well. Easy as that..
You dont have any idea what you talking about....your making a mole hill into a mountain....
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I'm doing nothing of the sort, everyone else is. All I said, is that he will need some suspension tuning to make the car not understeer. And he WILL. It's not a big deal, but I don't like being told I "don't have any idea what I'm talking about". When you have no clue how much I really do know.
Keep thinking you can keep a stock suspension on the car and it won't have a lot of understeer. I don't care.
StreetGT: If you put an H22A in the car, you will need to upgrade and tune your suspension if you want it to handle well. Easy as that..
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
Ok, so you're saying that an additional 40 lbs is going to cause a severe suspension catastrophe? No, it will be like driving with a fat kid in your car all the time. Stop being so thick headed and admit you may have been wrong..
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm doing nothing of the sort, everyone else is. All I said, is that he will need some suspension tuning to make the car not understeer. And he WILL. It's not a big deal, but I don't like being told I "don't have any idea what I'm talking about". When you have no clue how much I really do know.
Keep thinking you can keep a stock suspension on the car and it won't have a lot of understeer. I don't care.
StreetGT: If you put an H22A in the car, you will need to upgrade and tune your suspension if you want it to handle well. Easy as that..</TD></TR></TABLE>
The fact of the matter is -- there IS no understeer involved, unless of course you expect to Auto-X on factory CX springs, and NO sways bars.
Other than that, there IS no understeer. It`s always good to upgrade your suspension, PERIOD.
You originally stated that you`ll have a bunch of understeer and have to majorly tune your suspension, otherwise it will "understeer like a ****" -- which is not true.
I'm doing nothing of the sort, everyone else is. All I said, is that he will need some suspension tuning to make the car not understeer. And he WILL. It's not a big deal, but I don't like being told I "don't have any idea what I'm talking about". When you have no clue how much I really do know.
Keep thinking you can keep a stock suspension on the car and it won't have a lot of understeer. I don't care.
StreetGT: If you put an H22A in the car, you will need to upgrade and tune your suspension if you want it to handle well. Easy as that..</TD></TR></TABLE>
The fact of the matter is -- there IS no understeer involved, unless of course you expect to Auto-X on factory CX springs, and NO sways bars.
Other than that, there IS no understeer. It`s always good to upgrade your suspension, PERIOD.
You originally stated that you`ll have a bunch of understeer and have to majorly tune your suspension, otherwise it will "understeer like a ****" -- which is not true.
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Hey, whatever you guys say. I'm certainly not going to waste anymore of my time with this stupid ****.
I can see that it's no use arguing with people like you guys. Go take some physics classes, or get some more racing or suspension experience, then get back to me.
I can see that it's no use arguing with people like you guys. Go take some physics classes, or get some more racing or suspension experience, then get back to me.
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by martini »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey, whatever you guys say. I'm certainly not going to waste anymore of my time with this stupid ****.
I can see that it's no use arguing with people like you guys. Go take some physics classes, or get some more racing or suspension experience, then get back to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
how about you go DRIVE a h22 civic and then come back here and keep talking your bullshit.
you are wrong. simple as that. the understeer was a rumor from long ago that stuck.
unless you have first hand experience please keep your answers to yourself.
I can see that it's no use arguing with people like you guys. Go take some physics classes, or get some more racing or suspension experience, then get back to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
how about you go DRIVE a h22 civic and then come back here and keep talking your bullshit.
you are wrong. simple as that. the understeer was a rumor from long ago that stuck.
unless you have first hand experience please keep your answers to yourself.
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (martini)
Why is it no use arguing? We are not arguing here bro, I`m debating your statement of "it will understeer like a ****" and you haven`t justified why you have said that.
I have taken several physics class, and know exactly what I need to do. I`m still waiting for your justification..
I have taken several physics class, and know exactly what I need to do. I`m still waiting for your justification..
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (poison)
i got to drive an H22 hatch the other week and i expected the massive understeer like EVERYONE always talks about, but i really didnt notice much of a difference in the car at all... except for the mad ****** torque 
the only suspension mod that dude had was an ebay strut tower bar. H22A!
the only suspension mod that dude had was an ebay strut tower bar.
H22A!
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Re: A Few guestions from a N00b (ross1459)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ross1459 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got to drive an H22 hatch the other week and i expected the massive understeer like EVERYONE always talks about, but i really didnt notice much of a difference in the car at all... except for the mad ****** torque
the only suspension mod that dude had was an ebay strut tower bar. H22A!</TD></TR></TABLE>
There ya have it.
Still waiting for a justification for martini`s statement...
the only suspension mod that dude had was an ebay strut tower bar.
H22A!</TD></TR></TABLE>There ya have it.
Still waiting for a justification for martini`s statement...