ok i was wondering what the best engine is for what application:
Turbo -
All motor -
Vtec -
SOHC -
DOHC -
SOHC - Vtec -
DOHC - Vtec -
low end torque -
high end torque -
very fast -
very quick -
and any combination thereof
im gonna build a super clean vtec maybe in my lifetime, was wondering what bottom end, top end combo to go with, either vtec or not, turbo or nonturbo.
i know most of these questions will pretty much be answered by opinion, but try to base it on facts if you can, if not, base it on your lifes hands-on experience, dont just say i got this motor but i heard this one is better or i got this motor and it sucks, cuz i have all ebay typeR parts on it.

 

the first question would be - how much money do you have?

 

the mighty h22 is my choice

 

a nice all around honda motor would be the b18c1.....it is very potent for all motor.. or force induction...but because of its high demand..vehicles that have this engine are likely to be stolen...and the prices through a jdm importer may vary from 2800-3200 from your local freind.....would be 2200 and up

 

honestly, a good motor would be the F20c(s2k) with a b-series tranny adapter plate. That would be a sick as combo in stock trim drag or street.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 88JPRCRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok i was wondering what the best engine is for what application:
Turbo -
All motor -
Vtec -
SOHC -
DOHC -
SOHC - Vtec -
DOHC - Vtec -
low end torque -
high end torque -
very fast -
very quick -
and any combination thereof
im gonna build a super clean vtec maybe in my lifetime, was wondering what bottom end, top end combo to go with, either vtec or not, turbo or nonturbo.
i know most of these questions will pretty much be answered by opinion, but try to base it on facts if you can, if not, base it on your lifes hands-on experience, dont just say i got this motor but i heard this one is better or i got this motor and it sucks, cuz i have all ebay typeR parts on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow, that's a long list.

We need to know what chassis you'll be working with, and what exact application you will be using said engine for. Also, how much $$$ do you have? As the saying goes: Speed costs moolah, how much do you wanna spend?

Let's assume from your name that you're working with a CRX. The swiss army knife of the honda world seems to be the GSR (b18c1) engine. It will cost you ($3000), but it takes to tuning very well, has a good bit of torque, has the mAd VeTc, Y0!, and is still readily available. For NA performance, you can't beat the Type R (B18c5) engine, but it will normally run about a grand more than a GSR powerplant. If you're going drag only, get an H22. Torque is your friend.

Can't remember when I got this. If the original author wants me to switch it, I will:
"b16a - Fun engine, but it lacks the low-end torque that most people must and want to have. Also, this engine pulls very nicely once you get above 5500 rpm or so.
b18b - More torque then the lovely B16 but lacks that all important m@d V-TeCH yo! which will give you a little push once it kicks in. Usually the least expensive of all the engines.
b18c1 - Best of the 3 so far and an overall good engine for the price. Has more torque then the b16 and pulls pretty nicely in the higher rpms.
b18c5 - More power than the b18c1 and will yield better times. With the higher compression it is a great for a NA engine.
H22 - More power than the b18c5 but has not shown to always have faster times in the 1/4. Also, with this you will most likely need to do some suspension work to accommodate for the heavier engine. Usually costs less than the b18c5 so you could use that extra money towards some mods for it.
I assume these are the 5 engines you were choosing between. There is always the b16b (good engine, too expensive), LS/VTEC and B20/VTEC (not bad, but always problems when putting a vtec head on a non-vtec block."

Of course, I will also tell you to search. The ironic thing about it is the search function sucks here on Honda Tech, so it will be frusterating sometimes, but this topic has been discussed many times before.

Hope that helps



Modified by The Muffin Man at 1:24 PM 12/21/2003

 

i would say a b16 with a small, fast spooling turbo that will give you that extra torque you need down low, and you will always have the b16's top end. compine it with an lsd and some suspension work and you have a nice fun all around car that may not necessarily put a hole in your pocket compared to other set ups. you should consider piecing together your own kit to save a lot of money. get it tunned right and your engine will go far.

 

wow i almost forgot about this post
thanks alot for all the info
im working with an 88 CRX DX automatic right now, when i get started, motor is coming out, tranny is comming out for sure.
i dont think i want to start with a turbo swap as it will be my first, i was kinda wanting something i could add a turbo to later.
b18c1 will probably be my choice, id like to spend no more than $4500 on the motor swap, if it means saving 600 on shipping to drive 10hrs to pick up an engine id do it. i just want something thats pretty quick and wont have trouble drag racing on the street here and there.

 

I'd start with an LS motor from a second gen Integra due to the fact that they're abundant and cheap. Then later get a B16 head and go LS/VTEC. This way you end up with a good versatile engine with torque and top end power, and you can spread out your money overtime without having to fork over thousands of dollars at once for a motor. From there there are endless possibilities, CTR pistons and cams with an ITR intake manifold and a good header for a good all motor setup, or go turbo.

 

yes i was looking into vtec, im sold on having that eventually, im ok about building motors, a friend and i rebuilt a 440ci big block, and built a 400ci big block for his 77 grand prix when we was young. i dont think building a motor from scratch is going to be out of the question, its something ive really been looking into past couple weeks, of course im going to have goodies in it, cams, pistons, rods, springs, etc..... ive noticed people having different blocks and head combos, ie: b20 block b18 head, or b18 block and b16 head. what combo is wise and why for this? In the end i would like to have a super clean Turbo vtec with 200+hp if its possible with or without vtec.

im interested in LS/VTEC
and these look very pretty to me , very much how im wanting to do a motor for my crx
http://www.b20vtec.com/DartHon....html

http://www.b20vtec.com/b20vtecturbo2.html

im not sure about doing a B20 tho, like its been said before, power = $$$, bigger motor = bigger wallet

 

Back to my suggestion of the early LS motor. You can get a crankshaft from a B20A1 that came in the 3rd gen prelude and some custom rods and have a 2 liter for much less than the cost of a B20B, and for way less than a Dart block will cost (not the mention a new crank to go with the dart block).

 

hmmm so its looking like a B18c1 DOHC vtec motor with b16 head is all around nice for better power than common swaps, thats a CRVTEC if im correct? put a B20 crank in it and will have good power and torque. i know dart blocks are pricy way more than what i want to pay for just a block. when/if i get started id like to have in my garage sitting a bare b18c1 block with a nice crank from a b20, a b16 dohc vtec head, and all the fixins, cams, pistons, rings, rods, springs, retainers, gears, all bearings, gaskets, a trans w/ nice clutch, cpu, nice intake, plugs, wires, mounts, everything to make install possible, and very clean. and then after everything settles and wallet breathes, comes header, and exhaust
some manufactuers i was looking at are JUN, Skunk2, edlebrock, Crower, Eagle, Endyn, Toda, etc.... not one place has best prices for everything one might have best intake, other might have best cam, other might have best pistons, etc.....

 

No, a CRVTEC is a B20B with a VTEC head (either B16, or B18C). The crank from a B20A will fit the LS blocks (B18A1, and B18B1) for more power and torque but custom rods will be needed. Dart blocks retail at about $2000 each.

When searching for good aftermarket parts, remember one general rule of thumb: you get what you pay for. So an inexpensive part from Company A may look nice but the expensive part from Company B will often outperform it even though it looks similar.

I'd do a lot more research if I were you. Take the time to figure out what you want, how much you want to spend, etc.

Tuning is also important. Remember that a well tuned engine with a few good mods can easily outperform an engine with every mod in the book that isn't tuned properly.

 

a little MORE research? im dreading, i know it must be done, ive been on this forum every day about 8hrs a day average past couple weeks, every website i could find reading just mainly reading on whats good for what application so i can say ok i want to have this, and heres the parts thats best for that, THEN the research comes for what BRAND of parts is best for that application, i have yet to do that part of research yet. as far as the tuning aspect of things, i know personally a couple shops here in town that have built and sponser big into sanctioned racing cars so i assume their pretty motor tuning saavy, i havnt talkd to them yet.

thank you very much for all your insight and info, every bit helps, im off to more of hondatech crx forum searching and reading

 

either the b16 the b18c1

 

or how about .....

keep your D series, rebuilt it with a vtec head, higher comp pistons, race camshafts and dig up a good intake manny, then sink the rest into a comfortable seat and suspension mods and be a happy camper

honestly, why da hell do u need anything more than 150 hp in a car that weighs nothing??

 

up

 

try a poorman's type-r setup if you're going to build it yourself anyways. its probably the same price as a b18c and you can get some good aftermarket parts included in that price.

b18c block + b16a head = poorman's type-r

you pretty much get a lower version type-r motor but it can make more top-end power than a gs-r because of the compression. just another idea, thats all. i'd rather go this route than ls/vtec or b20/vtec

 

Got a CRX, eh? Want the perfect motor?

350 small block: best for n/a, boost, and it doesn't need VTEC to be fast.....

There's a 11/12 psi JRSC'd B16 CRX around here that's fast as *****.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 7thGear &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">or how about .....

keep your D series, rebuilt it with a vtec head, higher comp pistons, race camshafts and dig up a good intake manny, then sink the rest into a comfortable seat and suspension mods and be a happy camper

honestly, why da hell do u need anything more than 150 hp in a car that weighs nothing??</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. A crx feels great with 150hp. More is always fun too.

 

ok i got an extra motor d15 it was bad so a guy took it out of this 90' crx and took a motor out of a 90' civic 4door which i also have and put it into the 90' crx dx, which i also have now, along with my daily driver
so i now have a:
'90 i think grey 4g4d rolling chassis (its still at the shop with the motor out, i havnt brought to my house yet)
'90 black crx dx with the 4g4d motor in it
'88 red crx dx daily driver with exhaust

if i took the bad motor i think it just blew a head gasket or somethin i dunno, put a vtec head on it, NICE cam, NICE pistons, etc..... id have a quick crx?
def quicker than stock dpfi duhh which is what i have now
is that what they call a mini me swap


*edit nm i found this:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=554053

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 88JPRCRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

id have a quick crx?

</TD></TR></TABLE>

you would have as quick a car as you humanly need in city streets and it wont hurt your pocket book

if you ever get into real racing your gonna need a ton of cash and then some to keep up with the pro's just think about it, itb's go for 1500-2000 !!!!! and thats just on the intake side~~!!

if anyone reads SCC magazine and followed up on the pro built SE-R vs the poormans SE-R, the under 7 grand race car ( with a plywood lip and guttet front hood and some other crap) blew its enginge!!! go figure....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 88JPRCRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok i was wondering what the best engine is for what application:

low end torque -
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hands down the 1.6 liter, sohc 96-98 Civic HX engine. VTEC-e owns for tree stump pulling torque!!

 

dont forget that the D series engines have higher torque values due to the bigger stroke ( or the rod length.. or a combination, anyway the RS ratio is low on a dseries) so we loose out in revability but make up for it with a little bit more low end torque.

 

low end torque is my friend at least I like it anyway

i was gonna post another topic but eh who cares
i did a little searchin never found a closure on this just a tiny bit of info

ok so i do this mini me swap with my d15b7, i put a d16 vtec head on there, do the mpfi swap, and get a manny tranny stead of automatic, ok so i got all that done, car is running nice lots of low end torque, i got some sweet pistons/rings, a NICE cam, etc.. the works to make this nice without spending a million bucks.......anyways..........

what if i wanted to make it even faster and add a turbo?
wise?
hard?
what turbo would be best?
if you can find more information about this than i did i would gladly appreciate it.

i was thinkin this would be pretty nice
http://www.prostreetonline.com...C2501
which goes along with this
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=616770
it sais 30% more hp so lets say I got my nice motor up to like 125hp from all the fixins like cams, valvetrain, i/h/e, blah blah, and add this turbo 125x30%=37.5
ill take the .5 for leeway 125+37 = 162hp from a boosted mini-me?

does that sound right
is that possible
im not sure how much torque it would be, but if its alot too, im gonna do all that frist instead of my b-series dreams.

thing is...i want this all to look NICE, so more than likely im gonna pull the whole motor so i can clean everything while its out
this post kinda went far from the original question haha... welcome to H-T


Modified by 88JPRCRX at 11:29 PM 12/27/2003


Modified by 88JPRCRX at 11:30 PM 12/27/2003


Modified by 88JPRCRX at 11:40 PM 12/27/2003