i'm thinking of going with crower stage 3 cams. does anyone know anyone that has them and what they think about them? im planning on putting these cams in my daily driven motor. i heard it has a ruff idle, but only when its cold. after it warms up, the idle aint too bad. btw, i'm just curious but can having a ruff idle hurt the engine in anyway? also could u shoot NOS with these cams?

i have a b20 with je 11:0:1 compression, shotpeen rods, skunk2 IM, JG throttle body, mugen ecu, dc 4-1 headers, and aem cai. i have skunk2 cams rite now, but there going to be replace with better ones real soon.

 

All I have to say is: SEARCH. There`s a grip of info on that topic

 

Search is broken right now but I can think of 3 occasions in the las month where I heard of broken Crower cams on this board, and i's never put those peaces of **** in my head!!

 

i think it is ******* hilarious how people will read of one person breaking a cam and they now are the biggest pieces of **** ever made. they now have new castings, and it never hurts to run corresponding valvetrain. and if anything happens brian crower will take care of you. OH YEAH HOW MANY SETS OF JUNS HAVE YOU SEEN BREAK(quite a few)

just my 2 cents

 

my boy has crower stage 3 w/ crower valve springs and retainers and spoon 11:1 comp. pistons in a gsr and on the dyno he only put down 175whp and 121tq. His motor is a 94 but damn his was pissed. I dont know if his motor is beat but i just wanted to let you know my input. good luck

 

What head are you using? What stage of Skunks cams do you have?

 

We had a set of crower cams break in an LS motor. However, we sent them back and got a new set right away! IMO crower makes a descent cam for the price, they are about $300 cheaper than Toda or JUN cams. ...But, if it was me i would get JUN IIIs if you can afford them.

 

did he do any twisting on the cam gears? plus he may not have enough compression for them. my buddy switched from the 3's to the 2's with tuning and it made a new car.

 

im using a b16a head and i have stage 1 cams. these cams arent aggessive for me so im selling them as soon as i get new cams.

i was also thinking of getting jg 308/316 cams. i just havent made up my mind yet.

 

i'm gonna use stage 2 skunks with 12:1 on a 2.0 ls/vtec, don't think i need the skunk stage 3's, because i dont want to rev that high

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by warwagon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't think i need the skunk stage 3's, because i dont want to rev that high</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why not?

 

As I was getting headwork done, I was talking with Dan Paramore (DPR Racing) about Crower's cams. He had worked with Brian Crower on a new cam that addressed the ramp (how fast the valve opens) and such to avoid breaking cams, and breathed well for both street and strip. It is the 63413 -- which is (I think) what you're looking at as stage 3? The 63413 is for the VTEC heads I have (B18Cx).

I also talked with Brian, who was very helpful in exchanging a cam I'd purchased earlier (63402) for the new one. He is unusually easy/good to work with...

We're doing an NA engine (the cam probably has way too much overlap to use it for boosted apps).. 65mm TB, port/cc (his stage 6), 84.5mm Arias @ 12.5:1.

I'm still gathering parts to finish getting the engine together and installed, so I can't give you dyno numbers.

Mark

 

I heard of a pair of Honda cams breaking. Honda cams suck! Nobody use them!

--
Tom

 

i dont wanna sound like a puss but i just dont want to wear my 5 thousand dollar investment out that fast by maybe gaining 7-10 horse

 

yea honda cams do suck, right! TQ any cam down too hard and it will break.

 

I have the 63403s... They're decent cams. I'm running Type-R inner yellow, and portflow outer springs and retainers with no problem so far. What I like about these cams is the good steady powerband. I don't have to wait for vtec to kick in to feel power like with other cams.

 

I heard (correct me if I am wrong) that Crower stage 3 does not produce that much of a HP difference over Crower stage 2. This is not Fact...just what I heard, Can someone agree or disagree me?

 

crower sux,, its common sense what you here is true what do you think everybody is bullshitting???????yea ok crower will replace cams if it wasnt a cam prob beleive me they would not replace them so they know they got a problem what ggod is it replaceing them(if your stupid enough to put them back in)if the whole rest of the motor is toast cause of them??????????this is from personal experiance doing many cam swaps crower,jun,toda,web, jdm, stock,comp,etc etc only prob ever had was crower 3 sets broke tottally destroying motors

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22 civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">crower sux,, its common sense what you here is true what do you think everybody is bullshitting???????yea ok crower will replace cams if it wasnt a cam prob beleive me they would not replace them so they know they got a problem what ggod is it replaceing them(if your stupid enough to put them back in)if the whole rest of the motor is toast cause of them??????????this is from personal experiance doing many cam swaps crower,jun,toda,web, jdm, stock,comp,etc etc only prob ever had was crower 3 sets broke tottally destroying motors </TD></TR></TABLE>

Everyone has their own opinion. The fact of the matter is, there's many cases of JUN, Skunk2 (especially), and many other companie's cams snapping... It's all relative...

 

I have been on this board for about 6 months and I heard of one set of Skunk2 cams brake and it was the drivers fault, at least 3 pairs of Crower cams broken, and ZERO Jun cams broken.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leadfoot78 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have been on this board for about 6 months and I heard of one set of Skunk2 cams brake and it was the drivers fault, at least 3 pairs of Crower cams broken, and ZERO Jun cams broken. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Lets do the math:

One could safely assume that more Crower cams are sold because of the low price, and a second would be that of a SKII cam, and lastly would be that of Jun, so perhaps we`re dealing with a numbers game...? as someone else above stated, it`s all relative....Just something to think about

 

sinister, care to elaborate on why or how your crower's broke?

 

way more broken crower then any else,,,,let mne ask a ??? why do you think crower keeps changing their cams around ?????????ramp lift,duration,material,etc,etc???????????????????? ???????

 

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Uh... research and development? Not that anyone should trust the opinion of someone whose spacebar seems to have issues and uses far too much punctuation.

So, give us some links to broken Crower cams. Cmon, we wanna see all these people with problems.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by refuse to sp00n &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sinister, care to elaborate on why or how your crower's broke?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, where do I start.

I had bought the cams used form a friend after he had them running successful for the better part of a year. He had them in a built B16, loved them but wanted to booost, so his n/a stuff went on sale.

I had them in for a month, drove the hell outta them, right up to +8500rpm and they pulled strong.
One day I was rollin down the street and everything just stopped. I thought my dist went bad or something, til I tried to turn it over and it sounded like no compression, so I pulled the cover and saw the exhaust cam was in pieces. It blew my mind. I proceeded to yank the head and had a few bent valves. I callled Crower and cruised down there. They replaced the cams, and a few bad retainers.

I had a valve job done in the meantime. I finally got everthing up and running and that went fine for...i don`t know, 3 hours!!!

I had broken down again, this time the cams were still intact, however a compression test revealed 180+ on 1, 180+ on 2, 0 on 3, and 65 on 4.
I was like WTF!

I again yanked the head. This time I could see one of the valves throught the sparkplug hole! I had floated half a dozen valves and I was in it deep.
I went to my machine shop, they informed me that when they were testing one of the springs on cyl 3 it BROKE! WoW! I have never heard of that happening before. But it kinda made sence to me, that could have very well been the focus of alll the previous problems, causing the cam to break, causing the valves to float.

I called Crower and they sent out a new batch of springs and valves. Today I get the head back and we shall see if all finally goes in my favor.

That is my drama with Crower products. Good times, huh?