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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 02:01 AM
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which kinda intake would be better??.. is just for daily driving... just want it to have more power..~.. how does both of them work????..thx
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 03:02 AM
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neither will add power you can feel. but i bought a cold air intake and wish i would have got short ram.
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 03:26 AM
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short ram will be enough.

**a very vague answer for very vague question.
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 10:38 AM
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with cold air you run the risk of hydro locking your ****. its not worth it for 0.5 horses. just get a short ram.
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 11:45 AM
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I you decide to go with a CAI invest in an Air Bypass Valve, it could save you from hydrolock.
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 03:20 PM
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Cold air will be alot quiter at wot then short ram. If you don't find a good deal like I did for a cold air, go with the short ram.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 09:37 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quadiv20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I you decide to go with a CAI invest in an Air Bypass Valve, it could save you from hydrolock.
-B</TD></TR></TABLE>
IMO the bypass valve negates the advantages of cai over sr.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 06:06 PM
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i actually did a test on the two on my car and i felt a difference....the cai made more power than the short ram. i guess it all depends on the setup.
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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 05:50 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm420da6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i felt a difference</TD></TR></TABLE>

But see, that doesn't work. The butt dyno believes what it wants. The real dyno reveals all.
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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 07:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I R Tylor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
IMO the bypass valve negates the advantages of cai over sr.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Mind Explaining how?
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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 02:45 PM
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Actually the bypass valve does not hurt the performance or the cai. It is spring loaded with flaps that cover the air inlet holes. The flaps do not open unless the filter is submerged in water or blocked off some how. When the filter is returned to open air the flaps are no longer open. AEM puts a lot of time in development of all of their products and if it didnt work they would not sell it.
In some instances the short ram intake by AEM makes more power than the cold air. All you have to do is go to aempower.com and look up your application then click on the adobe file beside the description to see their dyno results.
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Old Aug 25, 2005 | 05:02 PM
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when i had the short ram....i shifted earlier cause it lost power at my top end...when i put the cai it pulled all the way to 8500..i dunno..
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Old Aug 28, 2005 | 08:19 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drdisco69 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

But see, that doesn't work. The butt dyno believes what it wants. The real dyno reveals all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well here is a REAL dyno from 6 years ago............

+9 whp/+9 wtq on a D15B7



CAI wins.........

The reason the bypass valve negates the "ram effect" tuning, it disrupts the harmonics, killing the gain from the resonance pulse waves.

There is a paper the MIT/NACA put out in 1944 that goes into some detail about the "ram effect" tuning that is still used today.

naca-tn-935

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Old Aug 28, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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wow dawggg $300 for 3 HP!!! seems worf it to mE!
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Old Aug 28, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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you mean you'd pay $900, or is you redneck math all fucked up from breathing the fumes oh your over rich Holley fed 406 SBC? Seems a littlew small for a carb that came on a 302 DZ motor in 1969..........

I think $100 for 9hp on a NA motor is well spent. How much is that fancy K&N air filter or the Accel blingin blue filter?????

$136 for a 14x3.75 filter with a 1.25 drop base.......would that even clear your hood?

I guess you think the ram effect theory is bullshit.

85-92 Tuned Port injection
93-97 LT1's
98-05 LS1 and LS2 (plastic intake!)
502 Ramjet..........

So meathead, before you go bashing on people, some here have played with SBC/BBC/BBB/SBF/BBF/Mopar before tinkering with a little 91 CID wonder. I've been doing this for 25+ years.........

you dig dawg?
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Old Aug 28, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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Default Re: cold air or short ram?? (kenken613)

Comptech Icebox yo!!

iam getting one
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Old Aug 29, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mista Bone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you mean you'd pay $900, or is you redneck math all fucked up from breathing the fumes oh your over rich Holley fed 406 SBC? Seems a littlew small for a carb that came on a 302 DZ motor in 1969..........

I think $100 for 9hp on a NA motor is well spent. How much is that fancy K&N air filter or the Accel blingin blue filter?????

$136 for a 14x3.75 filter with a 1.25 drop base.......would that even clear your hood?

I guess you think the ram effect theory is bullshit.

85-92 Tuned Port injection
93-97 LT1's
98-05 LS1 and LS2 (plastic intake!)
502 Ramjet..........

So meathead, before you go bashing on people, some here have played with SBC/BBC/BBB/SBF/BBF/Mopar before tinkering with a little 91 CID wonder. I've been doing this for 25+ years.........

you dig dawg?</TD></TR></TABLE>


look at this mess
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