yea i just have a quick question about the smog ref. i have a 92 B18a that im putting on my 88 crx Hf, and my question is... since im putting an OBD-1 engine into my OBD-0 chassis, will the Ref require me to convert to OBD-1? or do you think i would just be able to use the 91 B18a OBD-0 components (dizzy, ecu, ect.) on that motor to get it certified? any help would be nice.. thanx!

 

technically.... yes you have to convert to obd1. But you can probably pass the motor off as being a 90-91 integra motor. In which case you can just stay obd0. The only visible thing on the motor that will make a difference here is the intake manifold. There is an extra vacuum hose on the 90-91's for something (forget exactly what it is), so the manifolds look different. There's always a chance he wouldn't notice this and you could just use teh 92-93 manifold and tell him the motor is a 90-91. Or you could play it safe and use the 90-91 manifold for your ref inspection.

 

ahh thats quite helpful... u knoe i probably wouldnt have noticed that either haha. thanx man! anybody else?

 

Hopefully I can help...ive dealt with the REF a lot.

My gf has a 94 Del Sol (obd1) with a 99 GSR (obdII) in it. I took it to the ref when her smog came up...and this is what he said...

"We know that the B18C is the same motor from 94-01 except for certain parts."

He then went on to tell me that it doesn't matter that the motor is a 99, as long as I convert the smog parts to obd1.

Meaning, the intake manifold, throttle body, and ecu...since those are the differences in the obd2 model.

So, what he might tell you is...you can keep the motor, just change out the sensors that are different...if they are on the throttle body, or manifold you will just have to change those out to a 90-91.

Hope that makes sense.

GL

 

Oh yeah, BTW

Maybe some ref's are stupid....but the one I went to knew everything about honda's. He even found vacuum lines I ran underneath her manifold that weren't supposed to be tapped into that area. he also was able to point out the differences in throttle body's and manifolds (evap purge, FITV, etc.)

So I wouldn't hope for him to not notice...might be best off just going up there and asking him straight up what you need to do.

 

I TOTALLY agree with what BoostedAcura said in his last post!!

I think that you would be making a big mistake thinking that you can fool the Ref. They do this stuff for a living (and hold all the cards).

What ever you do, don't lie to the Ref. It would set up a bad "relationship" that you need to be good.

"Ignorance" is something that would be better to play if you have too.

Wes

 

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haha yea i wasnt plannin on tellin him its a 90-91 B18a instead of the 92-93 (which is what i have). cuz i knew there was some way hed know since yea he does it all the time. but i agree with you guys totally. i guess i'll just be trying makin a trip up to him to see what exactly i need to do then. thanx!

 

does the ref check your tranny also?????

 

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hey thats a good question... i'd like to know too since i will be running a J1 tranny with the motor.

 

I don't think they would check the tranny. It has nothing to do with emissions. I could be wrong though...

 

BoostedAcura,
So did you covert the delsol to OBD II since you were using a 99 motor in 94 delsol?

Or were you able to the OBD I stuff, only having to change the manifold, and ecu?

 

As for checking the tranny....here is what he told me...

Everypart of the Swap has to be from the same engine...including tranny, but he also said if he can't tell...then he won't say anything...So if you are running a Type R tranny or something maybe you should just scrape off the J4D LSD and take off the sticker.

As for the del sol,

I changed out the manifold, and throttle body to make it OBD1 compliant. It was already using the OBD1 ecu.

After you do all that you can get your plaque from the ref, and they will also put any parts you have on the car on teh plaque...as long as they are CARB legal (aem, dc etc)

But make sure if you put a LS swap in, that the CARB headers you buy are for an LS motor, no parts will be smog legal if they are bought for the original car...(i.e. can't use LS headers on a B16 swap)

 

Boosted Acura,
Didn't the 99 GSR motor have a crank position sensor? What did you do to get passed that? Did you just not plug it in since the Del Sol engine harness doesn't have a plug for it. And since your using an OBD I ecu it won't throw a check engine light because it's not looking for that sensor. Same goes for the 2nd o2 sensor that goes in the cat convertor.

 

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Didn't the 99 GSR motor have a crank position sensor? What did you do to get passed that? Did you just not plug it in since the Del Sol engine harness doesn't have a plug for it. And since your using an OBD I ecu it won't throw a check engine light because it's not looking for that sensor. Same goes for the 2nd o2 sensor that goes in the cat convertor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Since he told me to smog it as an OBD1 motor...you dont have to worry about any of the extra sensors that are OBD2.

The sensors are still there, but they aren't hooked up. And yes, since I am running the OBD1 ecu, it doesn't read for them so I have no codes.

Same goes for the O2 sensor, I didn't have to put on a second one since its considered OBD1 now.

Basically...they just ignore the year of the motor...as long as it is newer than the year of the vehicle and you meet all the requirements for either OBD1, or OBD2...whichever is easier for your car.

 

my friend just bought a 99 si tranny case from recycler, he got it for cheap. The plate was taken off and the two holes looked liked they tried to drill the threads out...we think it might be stolen....does the ref check these kind of stuff in the tranny????

 

I would bet he's going to question that... I don't think claiming ignorance on this one will help.

 

Yeah, if it looks like it was obviously removed..i would be careful. but if it just happened to "wear off over time" i don't think it would be a problem.

 

I just purchased a 97 HB back from Georgia, and I live in CA. Is there anything I need to prepare myself for that you might now of? Will I just need to get it smogged, and pay all the fees? Or are they going to make me buy special emissions type equipment for the motor? Just curious if anyone knows the answer to this...

Thanks!

 

Im not really sure. I know my friend is in the Navy and bought a car in Virginia. He thought he could do whatever mods he wanted and not have to worry about smog.

He got a ticket to go to the ref, and the ref said he still has to meet california standards. I don't think he has to get smogged regularly, but if you get that ticket, its all the same i guess.

Don't know if that helps at all. I would assume you have to register the car here though, and would have to meet cali limits.