big oil problem help please
ok most of you guys have seen my car..and some saw it run last week friday...its real quick and fast i love the way it runs.. and the motor build went really smooth no knock or anything and no leaks what so ever...
ok now this is the problem it smokes like a freight train....? what the hell is up with that...it a "fog machine". the smoke appears to be like a blueish white smoke and smells like alittle bit like fuel.. ok so its fuel big deal but it alot of smoke to much to were if it was fuel i will make another idle like **** and my car idel perfect at around 850RPMs and stay there...weird right now get this if it oil the where is it coming in from the head? this is the same excect head as before and nothing was changed and it did not smoke...if its oil Travis had said that the piston rings might not have settled yet..
**** the i have do so far..
i put in brand new spark plugs checked then and there black as **** like it running fat..
the car never got hot it run cool you can run it hard pop the hood and rest your hand on a radiator hose and hold it there and not burn your self..no oil in the antifreeze and no water in the oil..
the stock compression is 10.0:1 on a 97 GSR B18C1 like at 270 PSI at 250RPMs with the throttle wide open...
BUT.......
when you do your math it looks like this 270 / 10.0 = 27 right so each point is 27 Psi right...
well remmember i made a bad *** prototype head gasket to lower the compression... when i check it.. it was at 185 in all of the four cylinders..cool great no leaks or anything.. so that means that
270-185= 85 PSI that what my new head gasket lower it by..sooo
with my wife and everyone else helping to figure out the problem i came up with 8.5 or 9.7 which one is it...ok i first i came up with 9.1:1 ratio thats what i think it really is...now when i took the head off there was oil in the cylinders..the oil control orifice was not touched but when i took the head off it was loose i didn't change out the o ring.. i think thats the problem.. what do you guys think? but also when mike and i where going home i had like 10-15 psi of oil..WTF all night it was at like 40-45 psi and then i drained the oil and like less 2 quarts come out...low on oil...
there is no blow by at all i checked that to..
i just replaced the oil o-ring..
the head gasket seals up real good thats not the problem.. putting a stock head gasket will defeat the perpose of why i mad made it...i have 3 brand new honda OEM head gaskets right here 85.00 a pop...
and as far as the head i don't think the valve seal went bad after seating around for 1 month...
what else guys..
and a leak down test wont tell me why it leaking oil... it to check for a loss in compression.. the compression is the some on all 4..
185 psi is what i have now and stock is 270psi
so the thicker head gasket worked...and my FP is at 43 psi because of my 2 sec injectors
oh and no post whoring thank you
what do you guys think...
i took the head of now..so im waiting.
GONE BOOSTING!!
ok now this is the problem it smokes like a freight train....? what the hell is up with that...it a "fog machine". the smoke appears to be like a blueish white smoke and smells like alittle bit like fuel.. ok so its fuel big deal but it alot of smoke to much to were if it was fuel i will make another idle like **** and my car idel perfect at around 850RPMs and stay there...weird right now get this if it oil the where is it coming in from the head? this is the same excect head as before and nothing was changed and it did not smoke...if its oil Travis had said that the piston rings might not have settled yet..
**** the i have do so far..
i put in brand new spark plugs checked then and there black as **** like it running fat..
the car never got hot it run cool you can run it hard pop the hood and rest your hand on a radiator hose and hold it there and not burn your self..no oil in the antifreeze and no water in the oil..
the stock compression is 10.0:1 on a 97 GSR B18C1 like at 270 PSI at 250RPMs with the throttle wide open...
BUT.......
when you do your math it looks like this 270 / 10.0 = 27 right so each point is 27 Psi right...
well remmember i made a bad *** prototype head gasket to lower the compression... when i check it.. it was at 185 in all of the four cylinders..cool great no leaks or anything.. so that means that
270-185= 85 PSI that what my new head gasket lower it by..sooo
with my wife and everyone else helping to figure out the problem i came up with 8.5 or 9.7 which one is it...ok i first i came up with 9.1:1 ratio thats what i think it really is...now when i took the head off there was oil in the cylinders..the oil control orifice was not touched but when i took the head off it was loose i didn't change out the o ring.. i think thats the problem.. what do you guys think? but also when mike and i where going home i had like 10-15 psi of oil..WTF all night it was at like 40-45 psi and then i drained the oil and like less 2 quarts come out...low on oil...
there is no blow by at all i checked that to..
i just replaced the oil o-ring..
the head gasket seals up real good thats not the problem.. putting a stock head gasket will defeat the perpose of why i mad made it...i have 3 brand new honda OEM head gaskets right here 85.00 a pop...
and as far as the head i don't think the valve seal went bad after seating around for 1 month...
what else guys..
and a leak down test wont tell me why it leaking oil... it to check for a loss in compression.. the compression is the some on all 4..
185 psi is what i have now and stock is 270psi
so the thicker head gasket worked...and my FP is at 43 psi because of my 2 sec injectors
oh and no post whoring thank you
what do you guys think...
i took the head of now..so im waiting.
GONE BOOSTING!!
None of that math or theory is right...I don't even know where to start. Go to your local bookstore and get one that explains how engines work before you really ruin something. Good luck.
damn your in a jam, sounds like you have a handle on it though. I would say for the pressure I'd look into the oil pump and pick up for that. so far as to everthing else it has to be going into the chamber some way
yeah thank you very much...
i think its the oil control orifice i replaced the o-ring but how much of a diff can it make? you think thats the problem...i pulled it out with my fingers...
i think its the oil control orifice i replaced the o-ring but how much of a diff can it make? you think thats the problem...i pulled it out with my fingers...
They make a difference, when I rebuilt my engine all those little o-rings got my attention and were immediately replaced. According to helms it suspose to be cleaned too, plus replacing the o-ring.. Good luck bro
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can installing the piston rings upside down cause this problem..
i put on a new head gasket and it still had the same thing smokes like a freight train.
no powerloss or anything no over heating oil pressure is good no water in the oil.. no oil in the water everthing is good except the smoke?
what do you think it is?
i put on a new head gasket and it still had the same thing smokes like a freight train.
no powerloss or anything no over heating oil pressure is good no water in the oil.. no oil in the water everthing is good except the smoke?
what do you think it is?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95TurboCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can installing the piston rings upside down cause this problem..
i put on a new head gasket and it still had the same thing smokes like a freight train.
no powerloss or anything no over heating oil pressure is good no water in the oil.. no oil in the water everthing is good except the smoke?
what do you think it is?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes!!!!!!! incorrectly installed rings will do that!!!!!!
- worn valve seals, valve guides? bad rings( upside down rings)
do a leak down test it will pin point ur problem... if it a fresh motor it will smoke but not as much as ur describing
i put on a new head gasket and it still had the same thing smokes like a freight train.
no powerloss or anything no over heating oil pressure is good no water in the oil.. no oil in the water everthing is good except the smoke?
what do you think it is?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes!!!!!!! incorrectly installed rings will do that!!!!!!
- worn valve seals, valve guides? bad rings( upside down rings)
do a leak down test it will pin point ur problem... if it a fresh motor it will smoke but not as much as ur describing
i double checked the rings and they where on right but with closer viewing i see that they don't look like the correct ones.. damn..so right now im putting the buttom end back together is 28 degree wether
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