Tech / Misc Tech topics that don't seem to go elsewhere.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 11:41 AM
  #1  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head.

ok..my question for all you is, what tranny would work on this set up?? also if it helps, the a20's they are from the old school accords. 86-89(a20a) are a sohc 12valve motor that is carb. then the other is a20a3. that year is 88-89. those a20a3 are fuel injected. how would the a20 work with my mounts? i thinkin i might have to make my own tranny mount to. this set up would be going in a 91 hatch. thanks.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 12:01 PM
  #2  
Redline130's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,136
Likes: 0
From: Hilo, Hawaii
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

IMO, more work and effort than it's worth.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 12:45 PM
  #3  
RenoRacing's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,648
Likes: 0
From: Biggest Little City
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (Redline130)

there you go talking stupid again! "I haven't gotten my b16 block so i'm gonna put a a20 in." what a sissy! lol
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 12:50 PM
  #4  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (HavokRacing)

bastard,lol i got my block now. but jermey was say how those guys got the b16 head to fit perfect, but not sure on the tranny situation. so im seein if anyone knows or has heard about this.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 03:10 PM
  #5  
tinkerbell's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,267
Likes: 0
From: Sydney, Australia
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)
ROFLMAO!

what are you goin' to use to hold the head onto the block?

duct tape?!?!

ha ha ha!

t..
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 03:20 PM
  #6  
Kamin's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 12,176
Likes: 2
From: Tucson, AZ
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

seriously
this is a joke right?
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 03:52 PM
  #7  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (Kamin)

well...first off, dip ***** the sleves are made out of iron(not just the beg. of the wall, the whole sleve). so that way you can boost more. so thats why i would like to try this. then you can use cyl. head studs to bolt the head on. have you ever tried those before?? from what ive heard, the b16 head fits perfect on the a20 block. and i guess you can use b16 head studs to bolt it on. and the b16 head gasket.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 03:58 PM
  #8  
tinkerbell's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,267
Likes: 0
From: Sydney, Australia
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

yeah good on ya.

an iron block with a closed deck. hooray!

i do not think that the A20 block lines up with the B series head.

the A20 is physically much smaller than the B series engines, the space around the bores does not need to be as large as in the B series because it is a closed deck design. the coolant passages would never line up, and the oil passages certainly would not.

how do i know? i have a A18 sitting at home out om my Prelude.

see here for the A20A4 engine:


if you have done this, show us the pics please.

t..


[Modified by tinkerbell, 11:00 AM 3/3/2003]
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 04:02 PM
  #9  
tinkerbell's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,267
Likes: 0
From: Sydney, Australia
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

PS ill measure it up for you when i get home tonight...

then we will see who is the dip ****?

t..
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 04:07 PM
  #10  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (tinkerbell)

thanks for the pics. the only reason i called u a dipshit was for the duck tape. but yes, go take those measurements.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2003 | 06:39 PM
  #11  
Baltz's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 675
Likes: 0
From: Nashkill Tenekee
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

There is no way they could match up, I'm almost 100% positive

I believe ole' tink is right about this one...sorry......
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2003 | 12:11 AM
  #12  
RenoRacing's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,648
Likes: 0
From: Biggest Little City
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (4th gen accord)

i told ya you were gonna look stupid. lol
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2003 | 12:12 PM
  #13  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (HavokRacing)

naw..lol
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2003 | 12:19 PM
  #14  
RenoRacing's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,648
Likes: 0
From: Biggest Little City
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

did you go and line it up, or try to>?
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 03:45 PM
  #15  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (HavokRacing)

i just got back from pick n pull....so im gonna load the pics now
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 04:10 PM
  #16  
RenoRacing's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,648
Likes: 0
From: Biggest Little City
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

hmm. did you find out that it isn't even close to lining up, jackass! lol
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 06:05 PM
  #17  
tinkerbell's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,267
Likes: 0
From: Sydney, Australia
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

as wu tung has successfully completed the experiment, i have saved the pic to my geocities site.

<you have to cut and paste the link to view>
http://www.geocities.com/b20bvtecpre...headgasket.jpg

a picture tells a thousand words...

t..
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 06:17 PM
  #18  
tinkerbell's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,267
Likes: 0
From: Sydney, Australia
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (tinkerbell)

wu tang, it looks like you had to pull the head yourself to get that picture?!?

for dedication!!!

t..
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 06:20 PM
  #19  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (tinkerbell)

yeah, i had to pull it off, but those head studs on those accords are realllllllly weird. but it was a fun experiment. thanks for postin the pics
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 06:46 PM
  #20  
evilxkid's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 866
Likes: 0
From: sunvalley / reno, nevada, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

i'm the one that told wu tang that you can put the b16 head on the a20 so i guess i'll stick up for the little guy. ya you can put the b16 head on the a20, it has a 82mm bore and they are centered exactly the same as the b16. all the head studs line up and bolt right in with no length problums. the only thing question able is the flow of the oil return holes and finding a timming betl that will work. sean from the pgmfi fourm did this head swap. where is a picture of the head gaskets and you can se they are pretty close to the same.

http://phy.37industries.com:3000/acc...16a_gasket.jpg
http://phy.37industries.com:3000/acc...16a_gasket.jpg
ps: a20's are extreemly strong and stout little motors. sean and many others have boosted 20-25psi on these little mutant motors with out any sleeve or rod problums. And no this dosn't meen you should go out and try this swap, remember they have 82mm bore so to get 2 ltrs out of it you'll end up with a goofy *** rod ratio like a b20a



[Modified by evilxkid, 3:49 AM 3/5/2003]
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 07:23 PM
  #21  
tinkerbell's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,267
Likes: 0
From: Sydney, Australia
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (evilxkid)

all the head studs line up and bolt right in with no length problums.
on what planet?!?!

you must be operating under different laws of physics my friend.

check out the pic of the B16 head gasket on top of the A20 block.

notice anything WRONG!?!?!

anyways,

if you have successfully done this, show us the pics or stop spreading BS.

honda-tech.com is not for BS spreaders

t..
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 07:32 PM
  #22  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (tinkerbell)

thanks jerm. for jumpin in. But i think thoss guys might of had to tinker with that head gasket. and tinker, evilXkid doesnt bull ****, he knows whats up.
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 07:41 PM
  #23  
tinkerbell's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,267
Likes: 0
From: Sydney, Australia
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

wu tang, as your picture shows, the head stud holes do not line up.

how are the headstuds going to hold the head on the block with out actually lining up?

nor do ANY oil galleries...

how is the oil that is pumped to the head (assuming it can be) not going to fall out of the head back onto the block?

t..

like i said, show us the pictures...
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 07:46 PM
  #24  
evilxkid's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 866
Likes: 0
From: sunvalley / reno, nevada, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (wu tang)

sean from the pgmfi forum has done it. ask him for a pic. here is a link to the page.

http://pgmfi.crx-forum.org/phorum/re...&i=1739&t=1694

if your going off the pictures i posted, they are cut and pasted next to each other so they are not perfict.

i have no reason to bs you guys, i wouldn't post any thing with out some thing backing it up
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2003 | 07:48 PM
  #25  
wu tang's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,495
Likes: 0
From: sparks, nv, usa
Default Re: a20a(or a20a3) block with b16 head. (tinkerbell)

ok ok...well i think i got a new idea. i think i might bring my b16 head down there tomorrow and w/o using a head gasket, just seeing if the head and block, line up?? and i will bring my cam. again.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:54 AM.