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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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Default What's the difference?

*Scared to ask*
Please don't blast me, I'm new too imports.


I'm just about to buy a Honda Civic and the first thing I want to do is lower it. I was looking at coil-overs online, to get an idea of how they work/how much they are, and I noticed they all don't look alike.

The more expensive types look like..


The cheaper types look like..


Why do some come without springs? (or whatever) Do I need to buy those? What's the difference about?


Thanks all real help.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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The top picture is of so called "Full-Coilovers", they are considered "full" because they have threads designed into the shock body and are a 1-pc unit other than the springs. The lower picture is of "Sleeve-Over" coilovers, they need to be used with a separate damper (ie: Koni Yellow). The Koni Sport Damper, Ground Control Sleeve-Over Coilover setup is very popular here because it has an excellent combination of quality parts for a very reasonable price. It may not be as pretty as some of the full-coilovers but it has all the functionality (and generally much much more) for a very good price (~$1000). In all reality though, most people don't need coilovers and end up getting themselves in more trouble than it is worth. Unless you are going to take the time to get the car corner-weighted I would just stick with a lowering spring/Koni Sport combo, there are many different springs on the market and you can generally choose based on the drop you want. I prefer Eibach springs because they have an excellent warranty, and I have only had good luck with them.

Jon
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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Default Re: What's the difference? (blackrag)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackrag &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*Scared to ask*
Please don't blast me, I'm new too imports.


I'm just about to buy a Honda Civic and the first thing I want to do is lower it. I was looking at coil-overs online, to get an idea of how they work/how much they are, and I noticed they all don't look alike.

The more expensive types look like..


The cheaper types look like..


Why do some come without springs? (or whatever) Do I need to buy those? What's the difference about?


Thanks all real help. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol, your asking the right questions bro my best input is this: try not to get springs and shocks because your car will always be higher on one side no matter what brand springs you get, ive used progress/goldline/eibach/even the $320 SWIFT springs, with out height adjustablility your car might be crooked good luck you have a l;ot of decisions to make.
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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 03:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaF1Fanatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The top picture is of so called "Full-Coilovers", they are considered "full" because they have threads designed into the shock body and are a 1-pc unit other than the springs. The lower picture is of "Sleeve-Over" coilovers, they need to be used with a separate damper (ie: Koni Yellow). The Koni Sport Damper, Ground Control Sleeve-Over Coilover setup is very popular here because it has an excellent combination of quality parts for a very reasonable price. It may not be as pretty as some of the full-coilovers but it has all the functionality (and generally much much more) for a very good price (~$1000). In all reality though, most people don't need coilovers and end up getting themselves in more trouble than it is worth. Unless you are going to take the time to get the car corner-weighted I would just stick with a lowering spring/Koni Sport combo, there are many different springs on the market and you can generally choose based on the drop you want. I prefer Eibach springs because they have an excellent warranty, and I have only had good luck with them.

Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>

hope its ok to thread jack this a little...
does it really need to be corner-weighted? and what exactly is that? i've been looking into gc/koni. i use a different set of rims/tires for the winter so i want to be able to adjust the height for that, plus i want the quality+performance.
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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chucko &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

hope its ok to thread jack this a little...
does it really need to be corner-weighted? and what exactly is that? i've been looking into gc/koni. i use a different set of rims/tires for the winter so i want to be able to adjust the height for that, plus i want the quality+performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>


read this

http://www.grmotorsports.com/n...s.php

is it needed? That's subjective. I'd say that 90% of Honda drivers with adjustable height coilovers don't have them corner weighted. The car will not handle at it's optimum unless it's corner weighted, but it's not exactly necessary. Getting an alignment after you alter the height is necessary though, so every time you raise or low it get an alignment.

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