Omni Dyno Graphs
06-21-2005, 05:14 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">give it some time</TD></TR></TABLE>
I bet you half a can of coke that the springs will outlast my motor/turbo/brakes/tires/other wear items, etc. That's not saying much though. If they droop half an inch, I'll just dial them back up.
If something from my car isn't a wear item, it's because it's sitting on a shelf collecting dust.
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I bet you half a can of coke that the springs will outlast my motor/turbo/brakes/tires/other wear items, etc. That's not saying much though. If they droop half an inch, I'll just dial them back up.
If something from my car isn't a wear item, it's because it's sitting on a shelf collecting dust.
-Chris
06-23-2005, 01:33 PM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (94eg!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">vtecvoodoo, am I correct in assuming the top portion of the graph is rebound, and lower portion of the graph is compression?</TD></TR></TABLE>
One would sure hope so....
Ryan, what's up with the spring dynos?
One would sure hope so....
Ryan, what's up with the spring dynos?
06-23-2005, 01:48 PM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (94eg!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">vtecvoodoo, am I correct in assuming the top portion of the graph is rebound, and lower portion of the graph is compression?</TD></TR></TABLE>
07-01-2005, 05:38 AM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (Chris F)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> pretty please? The displacement one confuses me I would have expected the graph to look like y=mx, where m is the spring rate, when velocity is low.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The force vs. displacement, F(x), graph is plotted from a full stroke (extension and compression) of the shock. That is why it looks like a loop. A more oval looking graph is generally better for a race car. Since it's a sinusoidal input, the shock is at the maximum speed at x = 0 m. Maximum speed is indicated on the legend next to the data run #. If the graph is circular (high middle for rebound or low middle for bump) then you either have too much high speed damping or not enough low speed or both. The rebound graph looks like these shocks have ok(?) body control but are too stiff over bumps. It depends on the car/suspension in the end, but these are just guesses.
pretty please? The displacement one confuses me I would have expected the graph to look like y=mx, where m is the spring rate, when velocity is low.</TD></TR></TABLE>The force vs. displacement, F(x), graph is plotted from a full stroke (extension and compression) of the shock. That is why it looks like a loop. A more oval looking graph is generally better for a race car. Since it's a sinusoidal input, the shock is at the maximum speed at x = 0 m. Maximum speed is indicated on the legend next to the data run #. If the graph is circular (high middle for rebound or low middle for bump) then you either have too much high speed damping or not enough low speed or both. The rebound graph looks like these shocks have ok(?) body control but are too stiff over bumps. It depends on the car/suspension in the end, but these are just guesses.
07-01-2005, 07:22 AM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (GSpeedR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSpeedR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The force vs. displacement, F(x), graph is plotted from a full stroke (extension and compression) of the shock. That is why it looks like a loop. A more oval looking graph is generally better for a race car. Since it's a sinusoidal input, the shock is at the maximum speed at x = 0 m. Maximum speed is indicated on the legend next to the data run #. If the graph is circular (high middle for rebound or low middle for bump) then you either have too much high speed damping or not enough low speed or both. The rebound graph looks like these shocks have ok(?) body control but are too stiff over bumps. It depends on the car/suspension in the end, but these are just guesses. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks, that really shed some light on that different style graph. I think it's funny how everybody gets their panties in a bunch about wanting a dyno graph of this shock & that shock. But when they finally get it, they don't have anything to say because they don't know what it means. LOL!
I'ver learned so much from this place...
PS: your Avatar is creepy looking...
The force vs. displacement, F(x), graph is plotted from a full stroke (extension and compression) of the shock. That is why it looks like a loop. A more oval looking graph is generally better for a race car. Since it's a sinusoidal input, the shock is at the maximum speed at x = 0 m. Maximum speed is indicated on the legend next to the data run #. If the graph is circular (high middle for rebound or low middle for bump) then you either have too much high speed damping or not enough low speed or both. The rebound graph looks like these shocks have ok(?) body control but are too stiff over bumps. It depends on the car/suspension in the end, but these are just guesses. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks, that really shed some light on that different style graph. I think it's funny how everybody gets their panties in a bunch about wanting a dyno graph of this shock & that shock. But when they finally get it, they don't have anything to say because they don't know what it means. LOL!
I'ver learned so much from this place...
PS: your Avatar is creepy looking...
07-01-2005, 07:42 AM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (94eg!)
Same with spring rates. Nobody has a clue how to apply them, but they have to know what they are....
I like to really throw them for a loop and give them in N/mm
I like to really throw them for a loop and give them in N/mm
07-01-2005, 08:19 AM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (vtecvoodoo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecvoodoo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Same with spring rates. Nobody has a clue how to apply them, but they have to know what they are....
I like to really throw them for a loop and give them in N/mm </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, makes more sense than kg/mm anyway. How much force is in a kg
?
I like to really throw them for a loop and give them in N/mm
</TD></TR></TABLE>Well, makes more sense than kg/mm anyway. How much force is in a kg
?
07-01-2005, 09:40 AM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (94eg!)
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I laugh everytime I look at it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I laugh everytime I look at it.
07-06-2005, 04:20 PM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (Chris F)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Well, makes more sense than kg/mm anyway. How much force is in a kg?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, F = ma, and kg is just mass, so you would need an acceleration first. ^_-
Maybe just 1g (9.8m/s^2, or 32ft/sec if you like standard). Though these should theoretically b neg. kg/mm is a pressure right? But what the hell do I know, I got this **** from some school book.
Well, makes more sense than kg/mm anyway. How much force is in a kg
?</TD></TR></TABLE>Well, F = ma, and kg is just mass, so you would need an acceleration first. ^_-
Maybe just 1g (9.8m/s^2, or 32ft/sec if you like standard). Though these should theoretically b neg. kg/mm is a pressure right? But what the hell do I know, I got this **** from some school book.
07-07-2005, 11:55 AM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (KeyserSoze)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KeyserSoze »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Though these should theoretically b neg. kg/mm is a pressure right? But what the hell do I know, I got this **** from some school book. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No....you should burn that book...it's filled with errors.
Though these should theoretically b neg. kg/mm is a pressure right? But what the hell do I know, I got this **** from some school book.
</TD></TR></TABLE>No....you should burn that book...it's filled with errors.
07-07-2005, 12:54 PM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (KeyserSoze)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KeyserSoze »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, F = ma, and kg is just mass, so you would need an acceleration first. ^_-
Maybe just 1g (9.8m/s^2, or 32ft/sec if you like standard).</TD></TR></TABLE>
If I go to a track day on the moon, do my springrates change?
kg/mm isn't a unit worthy of anything. Newtons/mm^2 is a unit of pressure. Or kg/m^2 (albeit a faulty one).
For some reason the mass/force thing is a pet peeve. People should stop measuring force in kilograms. Damnit. *pounds fist authoritatively*
Maybe just 1g (9.8m/s^2, or 32ft/sec if you like standard).</TD></TR></TABLE>
If I go to a track day on the moon, do my springrates change?
kg/mm isn't a unit worthy of anything. Newtons/mm^2 is a unit of pressure. Or kg/m^2 (albeit a faulty one).
For some reason the mass/force thing is a pet peeve. People should stop measuring force in kilograms. Damnit. *pounds fist authoritatively*
07-08-2005, 01:15 AM
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hmm,
so theres 2 types of dynochart here,
one for the strength chances based on the speed the pistons moving,
and another for the strength throughout its stroke..
the 2nd seems more important to me,
but the official shock dyno thread has only charts of the first type..
hmm
so theres 2 types of dynochart here,
one for the strength chances based on the speed the pistons moving,
and another for the strength throughout its stroke..
the 2nd seems more important to me,
but the official shock dyno thread has only charts of the first type..
hmm
07-08-2005, 07:37 PM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (mamaboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mamaboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">similar to tokico blues. no wonder they are a bargain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
similar doesn't mean the exact same. There is nothing bad with the tokico blue valving, and there is nothing horribly wrong with this valving either.
no its not what some people would want, but i think to say that the valving here is bad, is just plain wrong.
similar doesn't mean the exact same. There is nothing bad with the tokico blue valving, and there is nothing horribly wrong with this valving either.
no its not what some people would want, but i think to say that the valving here is bad, is just plain wrong.
07-08-2005, 07:38 PM
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hey vodoo, whats your ruling on this product? instead of the seculation. just because they have similar results to a blue does that mean that they dont perform ok?
07-08-2005, 09:18 PM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (slammed_93_hatch)
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similar doesn't mean the exact same. There is nothing bad with the tokico blue valving, and there is nothing horribly wrong with this valving either.
no its not what some people would want, but i think to say that the valving here is bad, is just plain wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sure the valving isn't bad for street use. i personally don't know anybody who uses tokico's in general for any road racing or autox use. from personal use koni sport ots vs. even the illumina's the koni's win hands down. i guess you can say suspension is subjective up to a certain point, but to say that tokico blue's have decent valving i think is really given it abit too much credit. ON A SIDE NOTE don't you use koni OTS/Eibach ERS/GC/GC Upper mount combo. i've used that setup on two different cars + the comptech 22mm rear sway bar. greatest feeling from a FWD car that i've felt
Modified by mamaboy at 10:35 PM 7/8/2005
similar doesn't mean the exact same. There is nothing bad with the tokico blue valving, and there is nothing horribly wrong with this valving either.
no its not what some people would want, but i think to say that the valving here is bad, is just plain wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sure the valving isn't bad for street use. i personally don't know anybody who uses tokico's in general for any road racing or autox use. from personal use koni sport ots vs. even the illumina's the koni's win hands down. i guess you can say suspension is subjective up to a certain point, but to say that tokico blue's have decent valving i think is really given it abit too much credit. ON A SIDE NOTE don't you use koni OTS/Eibach ERS/GC/GC Upper mount combo. i've used that setup on two different cars + the comptech 22mm rear sway bar. greatest feeling from a FWD car that i've felt
Modified by mamaboy at 10:35 PM 7/8/2005
07-08-2005, 09:34 PM
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Re: Omni Dyno Graphs (mamaboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mamaboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sure the valving isn't bad for street use. i personally don't know anybody who uses tokico's in general for any road racing or autox use. from personal use koni sport ots vs. even the illumina's the koni's win hands down. i guess you can say suspension is subjective up to a certain point, but to say that tokico blue's have decent valving i think is really given it abit too much credit.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Blues are not good for racing neither would these be.
your comparing appels to oranges. here. Comparing a adjustable shock to a nonadjustable shock is not a fair comparision.
I think koni's are a MUCH better damper also.
again i think that the valving here is decent, and so are the blues, for what they are non-adjustable dampers for street use.
sure the valving isn't bad for street use. i personally don't know anybody who uses tokico's in general for any road racing or autox use. from personal use koni sport ots vs. even the illumina's the koni's win hands down. i guess you can say suspension is subjective up to a certain point, but to say that tokico blue's have decent valving i think is really given it abit too much credit.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Blues are not good for racing neither would these be.
your comparing appels to oranges. here. Comparing a adjustable shock to a nonadjustable shock is not a fair comparision.
I think koni's are a MUCH better damper also.
again i think that the valving here is decent, and so are the blues, for what they are non-adjustable dampers for street use.