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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:33 PM
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I have been adjusting the height settings on my TEIN SS coilovers a lot lately it seems, and I am wondering if that will affect my allignment settings... Will my camber/toe etc be affected by adjusting my coilovers??? Thanks in advance.

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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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yes.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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Any time you change the height you will alter your alignment
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 09:07 PM
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Yes, even you sitting in your car changes your allignment settings.

Find the ride height you desire, get an allignment, and leave it be.

It's often wise to get an allignment twice a year, sometimes more if you drive your car hard.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 08:43 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evs-One &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, even you sitting in your car changes your allignment settings.

Find the ride height you desire, get an allignment, and leave it be.

It's often wise to get an allignment twice a year, sometimes more if you drive your car hard. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, that is correct. Your wasting your $$ on alignments if you then go home and change the height.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 08:49 AM
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Question: How do vehicles get our alignment? If you get an alignment once why after time do you need to have it done again? Bumps in the road and wear and tear??? Thanks
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bagged93accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Question: How do vehicles get our alignment? If you get an alignment once why after time do you need to have it done again? Bumps in the road and wear and tear??? Thanks </TD></TR></TABLE>

things bend, things shift slowly over time. i'm not an expert, that's why i'm just telling you "things." but yeah, you've got the jist of it, normal wear and tear.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 03:50 PM
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Hunter reps usually tell businesses to recommend allignments every 6 months for the average vehicle. Now, that may be because they want the machines being used, or because hitting potholes, ditches, curbs, and the wear of items changes the geometry. I agree with the latter
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Thanks. I had to adjust the height a few times because of an accident actually... The QP was bent so it was rubbing my tire, so I had to raise and lower it a few times so I could drive it.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 10:25 PM
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When you lower your car it directly affects the camber on all four wheels.

I don't mean to hijack the thread or anything, but this is relative.

<u>My question is:</u> The lower you set your suspension, the more negative camber you get. Is the camber adjustable on EK's stock control arms, or do you have to get special ones? I know it depends on how low, but we'll say for information sake that I lower my car from stock to 2" lower. Will I have to get special control arms, or is the camber adjustable enough on stock CA's?

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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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no adjustment for camber on the EK's. Most of Honda's line up does not have adjustable camber. Why? Because Honda builds its cars to such fine standards, the the only reason why it should be adjusted is either from an accident or on purpose...ie, lowering
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 05:17 AM
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So what you're saying is if I lower the car, I can't have the camber adjusted unless I have aftermarket control arms? That's pretty tough... I don't want to lower my car anymore because the camber WILL need adjustment.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 09:01 AM
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Not necessarily control arms, but you can get adjustable ball joints, or camber plates.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 01:09 PM
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I think I'm just going to stick with stock height for now.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CycloneBlue_1.6EL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you lower your car it directly affects the camber on all four wheels. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I had my allignment done after I installed and dialed in the whole set up, so at one point, it was fine. I had to raise one corner for some clearance issues, and now I was just wondering if my allignment needed to be re-adjusted. But I think my question was answered, so I'm having an allignment check done tomorrow.

Thanks for the help.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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when you're raising/lowering ride height, corner weights also change affecting handling. Alignments are only one aspect of tire use, look into cornerweighing also.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 05:07 PM
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you dont need a camber kit for tire wear either.... just put the toe in spec. What happens when you lower it, you gain camber - and when you change camber, you change toe.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 10:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you dont need a camber kit for tire wear either.... just put the toe in spec. What happens when you lower it, you gain camber - and when you change camber, you change toe.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Very true.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 10:41 PM
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So if my wheels are cambered negative slightly, that won't seriously affect tire wear or handling? How bad would the wheels be out for a 2" drop?

Some cars, the toe is set to 0. Would that be the case for my 97 EK or does it get set out slightly? If the toe is set to 0, I can just do it myself.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 10:53 PM
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yeah, camber is NOT a tire wearing angle....but it CAN contribute if comaber is out of spec along with out of spec toe. If you have 2* camber and proper toe, yes, the inside will wear faster than the outside, but it will take a really long time to do so. Toe is what kills tires
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 12:26 AM
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I guess lowering 2" won't make a super difference in camber... I'm still debating though. My tires cost me $700 (friggen retail )

I guess I could always change the tire position on the wheels every couple of years. They're directional, so I guess I could take the right side off the rims and move them to the left side... just thinking out loud (keyboard.)

Also, I apologize to the thread creator because I hijacked this thing big time. Although, he did get the answer he was looking for at least.
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 04:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evs-One &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, the inside will wear faster than the outside, but it will take a really long time to do so.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I havent seen any of that on my track or street tires.
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 05:54 AM
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How many miles on the street tires and how much drop?
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 06:10 AM
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You wont see any strange wear on by the time the tires are worn out
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 07:35 PM
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My tires wore out along the inside because of negative camber... My toe was perfect, I just never had a camber correcting kit before I had coilovers. When it was just springs, I burned through tires like ******* blunts or something...
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