ok i just got new wheels/tires for my integra with koni/neuspeed race (a little more then a 2" drop) and got an alignment. My brother told me not to put the camber kit on just get it aligned, and i did that but they are telling me i need the kit. My front left toe is -.01 and the right is .01 the rears are .07 and .09. The camber is about 2.8* for erach side.....do you think i should install the camber kit, and are these toes close enough to 0.00 so my tires wont wear ridiculously fast...?? thanks this **** is confusing

 

bump cause im curious too

 

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No and possibly. What size tires are you running so I can calc the deg to inch conversion? I do my own alignments with a tape measure, so I'm not so good with how many degrees is acceptable, but that seems pretty small amount of toe.

Even if you put a camber kit on, it won't help your toe at all, which is the cause of the wear. Camber just determines which part of the tire wears.

 

how would you describe your driving?

put on lots of highway miles?

drag race? do burnouts?

like to find twisty roads?

 

well if you just paid for an alignment, and you now want to install a new upper control arm aren't you going to need to pay for another alignment? I currently have -1.1* on my front and -2.4* on the rear but my toe is all 0 and one is 0.1 so i dont see any abnormal wear. I would recomend a camber kit just to get the camber to atleast -2* but its not a major concern as long as toe is good.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how would you describe your driving?

put on lots of highway miles?

drag race? do burnouts?

like to find twisty roads?</TD></TR></TABLE>

mostly city driving, spritied to say the least, little autox not many burnouts

 

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No and possibly. What size tires are you running so I can calc the deg to inch conversion? I do my own alignments with a tape measure, so I'm not so good with how many degrees is acceptable, but that seems pretty small amount of toe.

Even if you put a camber kit on, it won't help your toe at all, which is the cause of the wear. Camber just determines which part of the tire wears.

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mostly city driving, spritied to say the least, little autox not many burnouts </TD></TR></TABLE>

then dont worry about the camber.

 

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then dont worry about the camber.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what type of driving would u worry about camber?

 

drag racing. and if you did a lot of burnouts.

you want to center your camber for best straight line grip.

straight line burnouts wear out tires unevenly with uneven camber.

negative camber is good for sideways grip and doesnt affect tire wear in normal driving.

 

ah..ic well do you think my toe is close enough to 0 or should i get it re aligned, and if you think i need to readjust my toe, should i just throw on the camber kit i bought a while ago while im at it? i mean the kit cant hurt right? or will performance be affected ...thx

 

your front toe is fine, its as good as they are going to get it. personally i like a little toe out. i dont know why your rear toe is out on both sides tho. that should be set to zero.

 

so since my bro knows how to install my camber kit, and i alrady have one, u guys think i should put it on

 

Personally, I would worry more about the toe settings than adding camber kits. Camber kits can cause other problems that you didn't already have. Altering the length of suspension arms or the arms mounting points changes your suspension geometry. This may increase bump-steer, but you can't know for sure without extensive testing. Not a real problem on a street car, but kinda lame none-the-less.

The major concern for a street car however, is that camber kits for the fronts usually lengthen the upper control arms (or atleast move them outward). This severly reduces the amount of clearance between the UCA and the shock tower. If the UCA does hit the shock tower, it will dent it's way through into the engine bay or bend/break the UCA itself. This is the main reason I'm rather uninterested in camber kits for civics & integras.

 

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you have my permission to put camber kits on your car.

 

yeah i agree with 94eg...

 

^me 2


camber thats a tad bit off doesn't hurt, infact i heard its beneficial to handling.

toe is your enemy. that'll eat up your tires.