apologize......newbee question......should have been more specific..

I have an itr....but i'd like to produce more power then in my opinion the motor is capable of....safely....

all motor.....about 200whp...daily driver..

my question is....


have you heard of there being more success with a b20 or h22....??????

yea yea the b18c-5 is the holy grail of motors and what not....

but its still a bit limited....and i don't want to destroy it by experiementing on it....


help if you can....if you can't thanks anyway...


Modified by knalige at 2:31 PM 9/9/2004

 

in what car?

in a type R??

stay with B18C5

why the hell would you swap your motor and downgrade the motor?

i'm assuming you dont even have a R.

so tell me now. how's your topic related to ITR's

 

so cute.

h22 + b20 does not equal to TYPE R.

 

b22

 

i don't know about that virtual bong hit stuff.. what's the point? but then, i hate pot, so maybe it's just me.

 

what is going on here

 

edited the question hope this clarifies

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by knalige &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...i'd like to produce more power then in my opinion the motor is capable of....safely....

all motor.....about 200whp...daily driver..

my question is....


have you heard of there being more success with a b20 or h22....??????
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I dunno, bud, I think the premise isn't quite spot on. You can get right up against 200 HP with a B18C5 with stock cams and just a Hondata and bolt ons.

Given the choice between a B motor and an H motor for modifications, you are going to find that there is a dearth of performance parts for the H motor when compared w/the B motors.

Leo at PasswordJDM had to devote some serious time to finding some H motor parts for us recently. It looked like nobody had them anywhere (not even in JDM land), and he just got on the phone every day until he found them.

Corey Jacobs says that he feels his H22A Prelude sometimes has an advantage on the track because he feels he has more torque close to his top speed than the B motors do, allowing him to do things at very high speed that the expensive B hybrids cannot do. I believe him, but so far this alleged advantage has yet to materialise into a positional advantage on the track.

Anyway...although the H motors definitely have their devotees, I really think you're going to be happier and be able to find your parts more easily if you stick with B motors.

BUT...you really can get up against 200 HP without doing anything too radical to your OEM B18C5!

 

stick with the bad *** b18

 

lmao

 

Why not go K20?

 

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K motors seem to have awfully long blocks, making it a problematic installation for the low-bonnet DC2, don't yoiu think?

I like the K motors a lot, but every DC2 install I've seen has the header and oil pan awfully close to ground level.

 

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I like the K motors a lot, but every DC2 install I've seen has the header and oil pan awfully close to ground level.</TD></TR></TABLE>

K motor = 200whp+ instead of right up against it

The DC2 and EG chassis actually have a little better ground clearance than the EK from what I here.

 

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K motor = 200whp+ instead of right up against it

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priced it....thats an entire built gsr or like an ls-v-taacccckkk...just for the motor & installation of a k-series motor...plus i can't do any of that work on my own cause i know nothing about it so i'd be getting rapped by some shop....i can f*ck with b series and a friend of mine had an h22 accord.....that he put in so im straight on that tip

 

You want 200whp and for it to be a reliable daily driver right? I/H/E, Skunk2 stage 2's with gears and upgraded valvetrain. Hondata s200 for sure!! Tune till the cows come home. Might want to try uping the compression with like a head gasket or pistons. That should do it. Not that I've done it but I've read lots on this site. Sort of.

 

IMO, cams + compression = no longer daily-driver material. Yes, I know many folks do it and get away with it. I used to do it myself with B's and just a V-AFC for fuel.

But to me, daily reliable means just like stock. Gas and go. My car preferred a winter tune and summer tune. Not to mention warming up, cooling down, etc.

 

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Holy Jesus are you serious!
yea thats no longer a daily driver in my opinion.

Well just so people know
in the motor i have now...

i have toda a's and toda cam gears...just haven't been tuned...getting them tuned in a few weeks...bunch of other stuff but not really important....o v-afc and chipped p28 but i know im at or will be once tuned at mid 180's and thats not at or above 200 so time to do something else

 

do the crvtec with your type r head, thatd be hella fast

 

How about all motor sux. Go boost.

 

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really wanna do it all motor

 

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really wanna do it all motor</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stay 'all motor' for sure. If your car is a daily driver you're asking for trouble by getting a turbo.

 

I smell crack in this thread

 

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I dunno, bud, I think the premise isn't quite spot on. You can get right up against 200 HP with a B18C5 with stock cams and just a Hondata and bolt ons.

Given the choice between a B motor and an H motor for modifications, you are going to find that there is a dearth of performance parts for the H motor when compared w/the B motors.

Leo at PasswordJDM had to devote some serious time to finding some H motor parts for us recently. It looked like nobody had them anywhere (not even in JDM land), and he just got on the phone every day until he found them.

Corey Jacobs says that he feels his H22A Prelude sometimes has an advantage on the track because he feels he has more torque close to his top speed than the B motors do, allowing him to do things at very high speed that the expensive B hybrids cannot do. I believe him, but so far this alleged advantage has yet to materialise into a positional advantage on the track.

Anyway...although the H motors definitely have their devotees, I really think you're going to be happier and be able to find your parts more easily if you stick with B motors.

BUT...you really can get up against 200 HP without doing anything too radical to your OEM B18C5!

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That's true, I have dynoed at 196 whp with a ITR with only bolt ons and VAFC 2 tuning. Here's a link with details : https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=949676

 

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so stop sniffin.....

 

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really wanna do it all motor</TD></TR></TABLE>

I respect that. Good luck.