how much hp will gsr stock sleeves handle? cause i want to get to 370whp is that to much to much to ask? cause i dont and will probably never have the money to send my block to get sleeved.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by londa hover &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much hp will gsr stock sleeves handle? cause i want to get to 370whp is that to much to much to ask? cause i dont and will probably never have the money to send my block to get sleeved.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You want 370whp, but you don't have enough money to get sleeved ?

 

Seems kinda off man... To get 370whp without doing some internal work (definetly sleeving) doesn't quite add up.

Either way, your gonna have to sleeve it if your shooting for some high HP #'s

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by T3mp3sT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Seems kinda off man... To get 370whp without doing some internal work (definetly sleeving) doesn't quite add up.

Either way, your gonna have to sleeve it if your shooting for some high HP #'s</TD></TR></TABLE>

agreed

 

or at least change the pistons/rods.

u'r not going to see 300+ whp for very long on a stock block. sorry...

 

You can make 500 on stock sleeves.

 

so which one is it i was also plannin somewhere around 300whp...

 

It's possible. I was just around that number without sleeving. I did the ghetto sleeving.....a block guard, y0! (which some people say, actually does nothing).

It's all in the tuning. How much do you think sleeving your block is going to cost? It's not THAT much. Around $700-800 or so if you look around. You're going to be spending a LOT more than that getting the power up there with the turbo and all the necessary components. Why not just save a couple of weeks of paychecks and get it sleeved for the extra security?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shamoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How much do you think sleeving your block is going to cost? It's not THAT much. Around $700-800 or so if you look around. </TD></TR></TABLE>

darton charges like $1500
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NooB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so which one is it i was also plannin somewhere around 300whp...</TD></TR></TABLE>
im planning on doing je pistons(9.0:1) w/eagle rods. but i only want around 350whp. is that # really to risky for stock sleeves?

 

95preludevtec i belive put down 575hp with just a blockguard and internals no sleeving...check his sig

 

There's a cheap alternative to sleeving and supposed to be better than a blockguard. It's referred to as "block posting." The basic idea is that you drill holes in the outer part of your block, then put studs through the holes to give the cylinders more security. More info can be found at: http://www.homemadeturbo.com/t....html. I guess it could work, but I wouldn't do it to my car...

 

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you the man ,

those kids above aint answering the question all they do is talking bs...

i would recommend some rods? pistons?

pushing 370whp i guess you are taking turbo way....push 370whp you need around 13 or 15psi? 17?

prelude, gsr, type r, b16, as far as i know can't handle 13 or 15psi too good....
they will die...

if you talking about all motor 370whp....hmm it possible but wat is your pay per hour, $8? let see $8/hr, if you dont spend a buck it will cost you total of one whole years of work to make 370whp......

$8/hr with no taxes reduction too...so...hehe

not to be a dick...you got no idea you are asking for.....

 

my buddies @ raceline in ohio threw down 330whp on 9.1 psi tuned in a completly stock block and head LS. website is http://www.racelinetuning.com look in the projects portion for the RHD converted hatch. it blew the motor though, cause it spiked 15 psi on the way home from a car show. theres quite a few b-series throwin down over 300whp on stock blocks. with rods and pistons and stock sleeves you could take in the 400 range. i wouldn't call the car reliable for daily driving though.

 

once again..its all in the tuning...cracked sleeves are caused by detonation, which you wont see with a good tune...

i understand where ur coming from being that I am about to COMPLETELY build my bottom end for boost, but dont have the money for sleeves...ive seen numbers that have with built blocks without sleeves so it is possible..but dont expect ur stock block to be reliable if you want numbers like that...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 3.504 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my buddies @ raceline in ohio threw down 330whp on 9.1 psi tuned in a completly stock block and head LS. website is http://www.racelinetuning.com look in the projects portion for the RHD converted hatch. it blew the motor though, cause it spiked 15 psi on the way home from a car show. theres quite a few b-series throwin down over 300whp on stock blocks. with rods and pistons and stock sleeves you could take in the 400 range. i wouldn't call the car reliable for daily driving though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it is possible to do 9.1 on stock piston rod....compression is little to gain 330...aftermarket piston lower compression required more psi...so 12,13, 14,15 is equivalent to 370whp if you dont...know...but look at the car you talkig about...why taking any risk at 9.1 with 330whp and ended with a blew the motor

as far as i know if you running with stock rod around 300 you better off with new rod...and piston cuz you will never know....

if you talking about TUNNING ytf boosting to 400whp with stock internal..is that WHAT YOU CALLED TUNNING IS ALL ABOUT?

anyway not to be a dick...as a tunner you should consider the outcome of being cheap or being dumb...everyone of us want a strong & reliable car not just temporarty 400whp and ruin the motor...doing 400whp with stock you dont have a peice of mind of tunning...ALL YOU WANT IS POWER....

exactly you CAN'T called it realiable...

 

thanks for all your replies! i have the money for je pistons&eagle rods and half the money for turbo. im just gonna buy the turbo, slap it on run low boost tell i can save up fro pistons&rods and getting my block sleeved.

 

you should go read the FI forum.
Don't put to much weight in here.

And tuning really is the key.

 

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it is possible to do 9.1 on stock piston rod....compression is little to gain 330...aftermarket piston lower compression required more psi...so 12,13, 14,15 is equivalent to 370whp if you dont...know...but look at the car you talkig about...why taking any risk at 9.1 with 330whp and ended with a blew the motor

as far as i know if you running with stock rod around 300 you better off with new rod...and piston cuz you will never know....

if you talking about TUNNING ytf boosting to 400whp with stock internal..is that WHAT YOU CALLED TUNNING IS ALL ABOUT?

anyway not to be a dick...as a tunner you should consider the outcome of being cheap or being dumb...everyone of us want a strong & reliable car not just temporarty 400whp and ruin the motor...doing 400whp with stock you dont have a peice of mind of tunning...ALL YOU WANT IS POWER....

exactly you CAN'T called it realiable...

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please speak clearly when in response. but this is what i get from your post: you're saying my buddies screwed up running 9.1psi on a stock LS block and made 330whp tuned. thats not messing up, thats awesome tuning right there. the LS motor runs damn low compression stock. i never said to create 400whp on stock internals, but on stock sleeves.... new aftermarket forged rods and pistons would be neccessary and plenty of tuning. the reason my buddies motor blew was because it spiked 15psi on the stock internal LS. that spike threw a rod.

 

one more question.
what would be safer on my motor, 9.0:1cr w/ however much boost it takes to get to 350whp?
or 8.5:1 w/ however much boost??