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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 12:19 PM
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I see a lot of tegs with brembo brake kits, rotora etc and I wanted to ask you guys is this mostly for looks or does it actually really helps you. If it does can you axplain the pro's and cons of this set ups some pics will be really nice?
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 12:22 PM
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pros...less braking distance

cons...need a larger wheel diameter if you do a big upgrade(4-6 pot calipers, 13" rotors etc)
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 01:38 PM
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big brakes rob horsepower but stop fast so stock brakes on the dyno and big brakes at the track
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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How do big brakes rob power? Because they weigh more? I highly doubt that the drag with a big brake kit is enough to rob horsepower
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 03:23 PM
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yeah i dont see how they rob hp either, sure they might weigh a little more, but the big brakes arent factored into the rotational mass of the wheel so acceleration should be the same, the little added weight is the only con i see, but the better stopping distances make up for that in my mind
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 03:36 PM
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they really weigh more than the stock casts?, in that case, unsprung weight=the opposit of the ish
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 03:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MajorPayne &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah i dont see how they rob hp either, sure they might weigh a little more, but the big brakes arent factored into the rotational mass of the wheel so acceleration should be the same, the little added weight is the only con i see, but the better stopping distances make up for that in my mind</TD></TR></TABLE>

How are larger brakes not factored into rotational mass? Bigger brakes do rob a little horsepower. The problem I have with big brakes is that you can't run a 13" rim therefore you can't run bogarts or lenso's at the track (drag racing). Most drag ****** don't upgrade to larger brakes....more for the autocross guys.
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 03:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skunked &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How are larger brakes not factored into rotational mass? Bigger brakes do rob a little horsepower. The problem I have with big brakes is that you can't run a 13" rim therefore you can't run bogarts or lenso's at the track (drag racing). Most drag ****** don't upgrade to larger brakes....more for the autocross guys.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, i wrote before i was actually thinking about it, yes they will add to the rotational mass, but generally the larger brake rotors are drilled or slotted, and a little lighter for thier size than stock rotors, but it is a little overkill imo, unless it is a rr track car though, but overall i dont see it being that much of a burden on your engine to not get them just bc it might slow you down a bit
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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Many of the high tech kits come with 2 piece rotors where the center section is made of billit aluminum. If the kit is a 2 piece rotor than it is definately lighter than stock. As already stated a plain 1 piece xdrilled and slotted will compensate for some of that larger mass.
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 07:19 PM
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because it places the weight farther out than a regular rotor the guys on sports car revolution on speed channell lost 12whp from a big brake setup
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 08:53 PM
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Who cares about the dyno? If you're going to dyno and tune your car, you'd be a stupid *** not to tune with the brakes on...especially if you're going to the track. Furthermore, what pride driven person wouldnt sacrifice 1-2 whp on the dyno for a spectacular brake setup? My opinion I suppose.
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 09:14 PM
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For most people, a big brake kit is for looks. With the stock brakes, ducting, high performance pads, and new fluid, I doubt you'll have problems with fading or anything, even out road racing.
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 10:50 PM
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doesnt make sense.... i have Aem Big brake kit all around i havent felt a loss in power. i have felt a great difference in braking power. and i have had more props and points with my kit.

so your telling me ... porsche lambos and all those high end cars would put them on if they lost power ?
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 11:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmteg01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because it places the weight farther out than a regular rotor the guys on sports car revolution on speed channell lost 12whp from a big brake setup</TD></TR></TABLE> this is tru I have seen the show. and they said that when they dyno'd the car they did lose power, but on the track they didnt feel a difference. (they were quite surprised)
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 12:34 AM
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Pros: stops faster Cons: more rotating mass
also dont do just the front, or just the rear. If you do it will put to much braking force on one end of the car, and can throw the balance off in corners.
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 05:36 AM
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i also say the show...they did the test on a new rsx-s, im not sure that they lost 12 whp but it was definetly a loss...i say if you are gonna do your brakes just get some axxis ultimate pads and some nice blanks.
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 06:59 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedVtecGsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so your telling me ... porsche lambos and all those high end cars would put them on if they lost power ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Porsche's, Ferrari's, lambo's etc are designed to cruise at speeds over 150mph. Are liitle honda's are lucky to see 130mph.
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 08:27 AM
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this is some real good information guys thanks.
Hey I also know brembos are way more expensive than AEM for example. Is there much difenrence on this 2 other than one looks better than the other and most people will take brembo which one will you recomend and why?
I will say if people take brembo just because they look better but perform the same as AEM then just get AEM and save some real cash plus get same results.
Not sure on this one so correct me if I'm wrong!
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 08:35 AM
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My car game stock with 4 discs, so im happy. Unless you do alot of racing, i don't think your gonna need big huge brakes, just update your rear wheel to some oem discs if you have drums I think youll be satisfied.
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 08:50 AM
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if porsches and lambos had 150 whp to start with i doubt they would
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 09:00 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmteg01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if porsches and lambos had 150 whp to start with i doubt they would </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah exactly...LOL
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 10:28 AM
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Only thing that prevented me from getting a big brake kit was the situation of getting a flat tire. Im certain the spare wont fit on there, but im not sure if I put the spare on my fenders would clear the ground. Going to find that out today.
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 12:26 PM
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geto drop geto drop
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 05:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by POWERINTEGRA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is some real good information guys thanks.
Hey I also know brembos are way more expensive than AEM for example. Is there much difenrence on this 2 other than one looks better than the other and most people will take brembo which one will you recomend and why?
I will say if people take brembo just because they look better but perform the same as AEM then just get AEM and save some real cash plus get same results.
Not sure on this one so correct me if I'm wrong!</TD></TR></TABLE>


Name-brand is nice, but you want to check for features in any kit such as the following:

1) 1 or 2 piece rotors
2) standard or xdrilled and/or slotted
3) oem style floating 1 piston cliper, 2 piston, or 4 pistion, or more.
4) dust/weather seals******* (this is a big one)
5) rotor size
6) and others

You may want to check out some kits from Fastbrakes, or StopTech. Alot of them fit under stock wheels or 16" wheels. I have been considering them when funds permit. As for the spare tire issue..... I have 3 sets of rims, and have not had a spare in the back for more than 5 years. Only used the spare 3 times in 12 years.
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Old Aug 15, 2004 | 01:58 PM
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then u got some decent roads.
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