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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 05:58 PM
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I have been told that my timing belt must be off because, with the dizzy fully retarded, I am at +30 degrees from TDC. I know that's possible, but how many teeth would that be? I was very careful when I did the timing belt. And my second question, would the thing even run at that advance?
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 06:02 PM
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Any more than 1 tooth off the car probably won't even run.
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 06:06 PM
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So how many degrees does one tooth represent approximately? I mean the car runs great except at idle and slight acceleration right now. No CEL. Sounds like it is not +30 degrees to me...
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 07:31 PM
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Anyone?
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 07:47 PM
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1 tooth is prolly 10-20 degrees.
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 09:34 PM
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I "believe" 1 tooth is 16 degrees. I remember hearing this a while back, but this can be dependant on the motor/ head block combo/belt etc. I've had mine jump one tooth and taking off it would often stall so more than 1 tooth and I'd say it wouldnt run either.
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 09:50 PM
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Default Re: 30 degrees advance?? (90crxsib16)

after a few teeth you can bend valves very easily. Also if you set your timing upside down(arrows down)your intake valves will open when your exhaust valves should open and you will see your combustion out of your intake manifold.
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 02:20 PM
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Well, like I said the car runs great and I verified that it is indeed advanced approx. 29 degrees from TDC. I assume I would pick up alot more power once I got it back to the 16-18 degree range, right? Could I be causing any damage by driving the car right now? I mean, it pulls like a **** and I don't hear any odd sounds.......
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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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Having that much advance your motor should be toast, the detonation would just be tremendous. How are you figuring it to be 30? Just kinda guess by how far up the crank the light is from the marks? I dunno man, youve got somethin weird goin on...I'd re-do the belt and then mess with the dizzy to get back to 16-18.
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 01:06 AM
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I used an adjustable timing light on plug wire #1, looking down the pointer. When it is set to 0, i see no marks. When it is set to 16, I see no marks, and when it is set to 30, it is almost right in-between the two white marks. Am I missing something?
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 02:38 AM
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Default Re: 30 degrees advance?? (90crxsib16)

are you using the paper clip to offset the electronic advance?

should be near the passenger kick panel, a small little plug that you can pull out, you need to jump the two prongs with a paper clip , then check your timing. You are probably getting a false reading.
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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Damn, I thought you just had to do that when you are adjusting.....
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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Default Re: 30 degrees advance?? (90crxsib16)

Well if you are checking timing, you need to do that to ensure a proper reading...whether or not you are actually changing the timing via the dizzy
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 12:58 PM
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OK, thanks for the heads up. I'll do that and see if it reads any differently.
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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Hrmm....I shorted the connector and it was at 20 degrees. I adjusted it back to 16 and now my car feels slower....or maybe its just running smoother. I dunno.
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 04:08 PM
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i once had my car 32 degrees advance ... thats 2 teeth and it had crazy accel ration out the hole but after third gear it would get lazy ... so i put back to TDC and it felt alot smoother but just not as Quick out the hole
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 05:20 PM
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32 thats it? i once had my motor at 40 degrees advance.......it was off a tooth or so
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 05:43 PM
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how did run wit it 40 degrees advance ???
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 05:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 88fgfd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how did run wit it 40 degrees advance ??? </TD></TR></TABLE>


shitty and slow at anything below 3500rpm HAAHAH
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 07:00 PM
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Well, considering I KNOW my car was faster overall at the 20 degrees, would this have any long term consequences?
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 07:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90crxsib16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, considering I KNOW my car was faster overall at the 20 degrees, would this have any long term consequences? </TD></TR></TABLE>


20 is OK because your distributor can actually advance a little past that
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 07:04 PM
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Yeah, but I am more worried about valves, cams?
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 07:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90crxsib16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, but I am more worried about valves, cams?</TD></TR></TABLE>


need i repeat myself?
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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 09:49 PM
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Default Re: 30 degrees advance?? (90crxsib16)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90crxsib16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, but I am more worried about valves, cams?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dont worry, its not mechanical timing your talking about, its electronic.

As for your drivetrain, long as you didnt set your teeth on the belt wrong, you should be ok.

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