guys, i need some opinions here.

i haven't got a ton of cash to spend here...so this is my current set up.

CTR cams, ITR dual valvesprings, ITR intake valves, 3 angle valvejob, tanabe g power medallion catback.

i'm trying to get around 170+ at the wheels.

should i ditch CTR cams, get Toda B/Jun3, cam gears, VAFC/Emanage

or CTR pistons, cam gears (with current CTR cams) VAFC/Emanage

i've got no headwork, because no one in my country has a proper flowbench, and i heard B16 heads flow pretty good stock....and any messing around with the ports might kill power....

Any opinions/advice is great!!

 

you should start by letting us know what motor your running... i can only guess b16

 

what motor?

 

if it's b16 get toda C's those will get you there

 

that's a big cam for a little engine!

 

What engine your running would sure help us out.

But, with the parts your running now, I would get a head job. That is where the power is at, in the head.

 

my buddy made 195 with jun 3's on a essentially stock engine, i belive ctr pistons were the only upgrade

 

bah!! sorry guys.

yeah B16A.

i don't think Toda C is any good on stock compression??....

I've got 2 choices so far.

Toda B/Jun3s
cam gears
VAFC/Emanage
Tuning

CTR Pistons
Cam Gears with current CTR cams
VAFC/Emanage
Tuning

 

There aren't any flow benches around here in my country....and i heard B16 heads flow pretty good stock....don't wanna end up losing power....it would suck if i lost low-mid range torque and only gain a few horses from 7000rpm onwards....

 

You already have a pretty good combination right now. Leave the headwork out of it. You have a valve job, and that should be enough for the street.

I would suggest using your stock bottom end, mill the head .03, and get a tuning device. I think you would be surprised as to what power you can pull from your exsisting setup. With more compression thrown into the mix, I think 170 is very reasonable with what you have.

 

i did 171whp on my b16a2 with skunk2 stage1 cams, cam gears, itr valve train, skunk2 intake manifold, 64mm bored stock TB, shitty dc header, tanabe exhaust, aem cai, mugen head gasket, mugen/skunk2 chipped ecu and a vafc for tuning.
here is its dyno:


before that, i put 165 to the wheels using my ctr cams, cam gears, mugen gasket, mugen/skkunk2 ecu, vafc and the same i/h/e.
here is its dyno:

 

Looks like you need to find a better tuner... Nice numbers.

 

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I understand if you don't have any local head shops, but head work does not imply "hogging" it out for race. A compentent head shop can prep you head to your desires, such as not willing to sacrifice low end for high. And this can be done, yielding increases across the entire powerband, high and low.

 

i know a 1.6 motor the ports dont really need to be opened up just really "cleaned up" casting flaws etc etc and a good valve job

 

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ok, but i'm also after good torque gains. i mean, i won't be redlining her everyday. so i'm after at least 110lb/ft at the wheels....and the flatter the better.

would CTR pistons (high CR) give me the torque gains?? or would a larger cam give me more torque?? and all range torque gains, is what i'm after.

 

what kind of header??

i didnt see that listed?

 

currently stock header. might get a JDM ITR 4-1 once i do up the bottomend.

so what do u guys think?? choice 1 or 2??

i spoke to a dyno guy, he said if i go with toda bs with stock compression, my fuel consumption would be shitty. and i'd run very rich.

 

with stock compression, todas might be too much cam(toda B that is.) Try the toda A cams. Throw in the pistons, use the cams you have and get it tuned.

Also, get a decent header.

 

My dyno #'s are listed below 173hp....Picking up my street ported head today from Alaniz and will be heading back to Church for a retune.

 

for torque gains keep the stock flywheel for one...as for 170whp your set-up seems to be fine for that...just throw in a thinner head gasket maximize your exhaust and intake set-up and tune with hondata or something...you should get 170whp with at least 110tq without problems...try itr manifold, hytech header no cat and a good fuel system upgrade...

 

I'd recommend getting your "piping" worked out, it looks like you've only got an exhaust, and there's more to be done:

-Some type of short ram intake (ebay is good for this) with a good filter
-an intake mani, AEBS makes an affordable one I believe
-A good header with a 2.5" collector
-Hi-flow cat
-2.5" exhaust piping

With that, cam gears, tuning, you should see some decent results. Rather than get new cams, just work with the CTR's you got and bump compression somehow. Personally I'd do that with pistons vs. milling the head.

 

skunk2..thats the key

 

sorry sumo, we don't get skunk2 cams in singapore

 

yeah, if i'm bumping my compression, it'd be CTR pistons.

what exactly happens if u use a too big cam with too little compression??

can i have the link to the dynamic compression thread??

like i said, i'm after all range torque gains, so higher compression would give me more wheel torque?