I've heard that the energy suspension hyperflex kit for the teg is a good investment.. Does it really make a big difference? I've also heard that it's a pain in the *** to install, has anyone done it? and also what's involved? I have a chassis style lift (not a lift kit, but a lift to raise the car up for working on it :-) and air tools so is it worth the $500.00 I was quoted to install it? thanks.

 

Most peeps I know have it done like it very much, the car will vibrate noticeably from now, just a heads up (higher idle when cold and such). Should make for a nice stiff ride though. From what I hear, it can be a PITA to install.

 

what causeed the vibration?

 

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you'll only notice vibration if you install poly engine mounts.

 

I assumed he meant motor mounts as well. Since the engine mounts are a lot stiffer, the motor has almost no give and the car will vibrate at certain idles (usually when cold for me)

 

ahh it makes sence, do you know if the master bushing kit comes with the motor mount inserts? and are these as god as replacment mounts (ie. hasport) etc.

 

I installed them...Ill give ya a how-to when I get back from work tonight.
Too bad your not close to CT. I am selling my car, and want stock back. I am trading my suspension parts for peoples stock parts with stock bushings!

 

what's distance got to do with it? arn't you down with brown? (ups) lol...

hey, does the car need an alignment after you install the bushings?

 

I have installed the ES hyperflex master kit in a friend's Integra. Es makes a quality bushing. The install was done on a 1994 Integra with where most of the bushings were cracked or worn. One was apparently torched out by a previous mechanic, reassembled and eventually fell apart into bits causing metal contact each time the car drove over a bump.

Here are some comments:

1. Ive never heard of putting money into bushings as an investment. It should be considered like any other aftermarket upgrade where little or no monetary value would be recovered at the sale of the vehicle. This is purely for the owners enjoyment... Unless of course your car's bushings were badly needing replacement then consider it a maintenance/repair item.

2. Does it make a difference? it depends on the condition of your existing bushings and what you are comparing it to. Generally aftermarket bushings are stiff upon initial use and break in over time. The ES hyperflex bushings were a tad stiffer than stock but not uncomfortable for a daily driver. i am considering them for my own Integra car at the moment.

3. Bushing replacement is not easy and requires time, mindful planning and proper tools.

4. Is it worth $500 to install the full kit? to some maybe to others, no. It depends on what you value, your mechanical skills and how much free time you care to spend, or how interested you are in having an opportunity firsthand to do the work and learn about your car. There is a lot of labor involved and pressing each bushing takes time. Some more than others obviously but indeed a fair amount of time. Again, "worth" is a relative and pointless question to ask.

Words of advice, learn how to post in a forum. Asking a dozen questions all at once normally reaps two or three answers at best. You'll eventually learn this anyways after re-asking the same questions again.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

 

isn't asking all your questions at once better because then you don't have to keep replying with more and more questions?

I have another question, but I won't ask it right now because I've hit my 1 question limit.

(note: the previous line was a statement, not a question)

 

you could most likely do a lot of them yourself, and then take the ones you cant do to a shop.

 

The drawback to having a full poly bushing kit on a daily driver is that you will probably have MAD amounts of squeeks and other noises whenever suspension parts move, especially when it's cold outside. It may not be bad at first if you grease the bushings properly, but after that grease wears off, the noises will begin.

This is the only thing that has steered me away from it. I would really like to replace my bushings since my car is a 94 and new bushings would help keep alignment and stuff more exact. I run alot of negative camber, so toe alignment is critical, but it's hard to get the alignment really exact with worn bushings.

I wish I could find some hard rubber bushings like the Mugen ones, but w/o the Mugen name and price.

 

are the mugens considered a softer bushing, maybe slightly stiffer than oem?

Prothane and ES are stiffer than mugens.

 

excuse me, mr 11 posts per day, sir...

poly bushings will not squeek. what squeeks are the parts that come in contact with the bushings - this noise is impossible to avoid and is just as frequent with poly bushings as it is stock rubber bushings.

 

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hey, does the car need an alignment after you install the bushings?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Whats distance got to do? Lol, You know how much all those suspension parts weight? That will be too much in shipping.

 

My es havent squeeked for 6 months. Just use Marine grease. Why this grease? Well because its for marine use, and will NOT wash away like other grease on the bushings. This is the grease ES recommended for me.

 

back from the dead...
what is the hardest part to install from the "kit"
what tools do you need?
torch?
press?

 

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what is the hardest part to install from the "kit"
what tools do you need?
torch?
press?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i want to know too...i think i need these

 

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what is the hardest part to install from the "kit"
what tools do you need?
torch?
press?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i would say the hardest part is going to be any part that requires a press/torch, as these are tools that most people dont have access to/laying around. Parts like these are the front LCA's, the rear LCA's the rear TA's (dont use the ES bushings for these)....depending on the age of the car it will be more or less difficult

 

how or where would u be able to access a torch? do they sell it or do shops have it?

 

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i know they sell them at autozone.

 

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you'll only notice vibration if you install poly engine mounts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

SO TRUE

 

I just installed the energy suspension mounts 2 months ago in my dc2.

Do not pay 500$ to install these.....my little sister can install them. You just need time and patience.
I did the left lower mount and the right lower mount in about 30 minutes. The rear mount took me almost 6 hours with only basic tools. The rear is possible, bt it takes forever. Search for instructions, apparently some people on here have found a way to make it a little easier.

Vibration: Poeple exaggerate when it comes to this. The vibration is minimal at worst; not a big deal at all. If anything,. the car just feels a little more ballsy

 

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I neither of these, so i will gladly pay the $500