About to buy these coilovers and have heard and searched out topics that mildly covered this on older TEIN Basics. Just wondering if the new sets have threads that are rust proof. The last thing I want is to pay close to $700 and then have then rust and the threads seize. That's just poor-*** craftsmanship if you ask me. And if that is the case, then I'll look elsewhere for coilovers.

 

only the HA's rust... don't worry.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K I O K E N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> That's just poor-*** craftsmanship if you ask me. And if that is the case, then I'll look elsewhere for coilovers. </TD></TR></TABLE>

poor *** craftsmanship? they're made fine.. just not rust proof. $700 for a coilover isnt that much money anyhow.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$700 for a coilover isnt that much money anyhow.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Of course not... I mean they are only 1/3 of your cars total worth...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YOUR MAMA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Of course not... I mean they are only 1/3 of your cars total worth...


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yes.. but for a full coilover it is cheap. (comparing to other good coilovers, not the price of the car)

 

or you can get konis for 500 and gc's for 300, and be happy with adjustable shocks and nice threaded sleeves that won't sieze or rust

 

Very true, but I really want the spring to be matched to the shock body. I called up TEIN yesterday and asked them the same question plus a few more. Basically as he told me, as long as I live in a relatively dry area like Dallas, rust will most likely be a non-issue. So that was good to hear. Main thing is to maintain the coilover and keep it clean which can be as simple as spraying WD-40 over threads to prevent water from sticking and form oxidation. So - unless I jump on this new Omnipower coilover that I just discovered yesterday, i'll probably be getting the TEIN Bascis.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkyeC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">or you can get konis for 500 and gc's for 300, and be happy with adjustable shocks and nice threaded sleeves that won't sieze or rust </TD></TR></TABLE>
ah-*******-greed

 

rust on Tein= jdm rust.....so its ok.

 

haha. JDM rust. I could care less about what is or is not JDM. I jst want the best quality that is in my budget. But that was pretty funny. Sadly, there are people on this board that subsrcibe to that logic. If it is big in Japan or made in Japan, it has to be great when that isn't always the case. It's like with these Djarum clove smokes. Here they are expensive as hell - but when I lived in Jakarta (where they are made) it was considered the 'poor mans smoke'.

It's all perceived value.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K I O K E N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha. JDM rust. I could care less about what is or is not JDM. I jst want the best quality that is in my budget. But that was pretty funny. Sadly, there are people on this board that subsrcibe to that logic. If it is big in Japan or made in Japan, it has to be great when that isn't always the case. It's like with these Djarum clove smokes. Here they are expensive as hell - but when I lived in Jakarta (where they are made) it was considered the 'poor mans smoke'.

It's all perceived value.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Uhhh yeahhh...anyway... they dont rust. if properly maintained and ****

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes.. but for a full coilover it is cheap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would hardly consider the Tein Basic a "full coilover." There is no damper adjustability whatsoever.

Tein Basics aren't even sold elsewhere in the world, because they know that people outside North America aren't stupid enough to blow $700+ on garbage like that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I would hardly consider the Tein Basic a "full coilover." There is no damper adjustability whatsoever.

Tein Basics aren't even sold elsewhere in the world, because they know that people outside North America aren't stupid enough to blow $700+ on garbage like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

it's still a full shock and spring assembly(minus tophat I believe)... just because it isn't damper adjustable doesn't make it any less of a coilover.

 

yeah the tein basics are really kind of a waste man.

i'd rather get those new omni coilovers that are out. they are double height adjustable with aluminum top mounts included.

the double height adjustability is the key,
and its somehting the tein basics lack.
it gives you the ability to adjust rideheight without touching suspension travel, so you wont bottom out or whatever. and you can also adjust spring preload.

basics dont have this, they work just like a groundcontrol/shock combo

about the same price.
i'd rather have the omni ones,
the springrates look ******* perfect for a civic also. 560 front 336 rear
http://www.omnipowerusa.com/Pr....html

and there are the ksport coilovers in the same pricerange, with dual height adjustability, your choice of springrate, and damping adjustability.

daiyamas.. same pricerange, again, dual height, damping adjust...

tein basic.. no dual height, no damping adjust...
BUT THEY'RE TEINS!!! GASP!!

 

I also think the tein basics are a waste, only arguing the fact they are a full coilover regardless of features they lack.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I also think the tein basics are a waste, only arguing the fact they are a full coilover regardless of features they lack.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well if they dont include the top mount then
the arguement for them NOT being a true full coilover is kinda valid actually hehe.

because they arent really full, or complete without that top mount.

imo a true full coilover is what you get when unbolt the coilover/shock assembly and pull it off your car..

what did you just pull off? a sping, a shock, and an upper strut mount!

 

On a lighter note....when you take your OEM top-hat and place it on top of the Basic/SS kit...does that then make it a complete coilover kit? I think it does.... its just like piecing together your own personal suspension setup, you don't buy it as a "complete" system, but once you piece it together, i think it then makes it complete. When Tein ships the basic/ss kit out...i agree its not complete, but what im saying is that it is kinda of a stupid argument to say its not complete when all it needs is a top-hat. Not trying to praise the Basic kit...because i myself have it, and I personally dont think its worth the money...Im just saying that arguing over it being a "complete coilover" system is kind of petty.

 

I couldn't justify spending $700 on the HA's if they will just rust and seize up on me. I guess you could coat them with something. But IMO I have to agree with Skye. I've had my GC's for about 4 years and have had zero complaints with them.

Brian

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K I O K E N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Very true, but I really want the spring to be matched to the shock body.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so paint the spring yellow, or the shock body red . . . . or both of them green

If you pick the right rates for your car, the color is the only thing "unmatched" about Koni/GC's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">basics dont have this, they work just like a groundcontrol/shock combo</TD></TR></TABLE>
A Ground Control/Koni setup is still superior to the Tein Basics in terms of damper adjustability and such. Who cares whether the threads are on the shock body or on a collar that fits onto the shock?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the springrates look ******* perfect for a civic also. 560 front 336 rear</TD></TR></TABLE>
Rates look pretty crappy to me. Do they offer custom spring rates? Nothing is mentioned to make me believe so.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so paint the spring yellow, or the shock body red . . . . or both of them green

If you pick the right rates for your car, the color is the only thing "unmatched" about Koni/GC's </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, seriously. The off-the-shelf Koni Sport compression damping works well with spring rates up to about 600 lbs-in. With the wide adjustable rebound range, you can set them for a comfortable ride, for bone-jarring handling, or for anything in between.

You can also send your dampers to Koni and have them revalved, shortened, and/or given double adjustability - though all of this would cost a good bit extra, of course.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

so paint the spring yellow, or the shock body red . . . . or both of them green

If you pick the right rates for your car, the color is the only thing "unmatched" about Koni/GC's </TD></TR></TABLE>

If I wanted to hear from an *******, I'd fart. Thanks for being a smartass.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K I O K E N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If I wanted to hear from an *******, I'd fart. Thanks for being a smartass.</TD></TR></TABLE>He gave an option for you, since it seems all you care for is the name. The Koni/GC setup is a great setup and you don't have to worry about the sleeves on the GC's rusting. Sounds like a good thing to me. But then again I wouldn't buy a coilover just for the name only to have it rust on me.

Brian

 

560/336 are perfect huh? lol!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecDeMoN &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He gave an option for you, since it seems all you care for is the name. The Koni/GC setup is a great setup and you don't have to worry about the sleeves on the GC's rusting. Sounds like a good thing to me. But then again I wouldn't buy a coilover just for the name only to have it rust on me.

Brian</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not sure where in anything I wrote made it sound like the main thing was name recognition. Please point it out to me, I'd like to know. The reason and ONLY reason I am looking at TEIN is because my friend owns a shop and can get them for me at a reduced rate. I want a coil matched to the shock body and am not really in the market for a GC/shock combo. I am not looking to go back and forth on pro's and con's on GC/Koni vs. TEIN. If you actually read my first comment I asked a simple question about rust - not to launch into something off the subject. I noticed that happens alot on this board - so have some moderator lock this thread because too many people have a problem with reading comprehension.