i just converted over to r134a and my a/c blows at like 50 - 55 degrees depending on weather etc etc, how about you guys?

 

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it should blow colder, but i guess retrofitted kits aren't meant to blow ice cold
when I had my r12 put in
40 bucks a lb
it blew at 30-35 degrees which is what its supposed to blow at

 

damn thats like ice.... man my a/c currently BLOWS ***

 

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This is probably fairly typical. Regardless of what anyone says, you will lose A/C performance if you switch to R134a. This is why I will NEVER use R134a in my system! It just does not work well in an R12 system. Especially when stopped in traffic.

 

StorminMatt is exactly right.

I feel absolutely sorry when I see guys buy the 'complete R134a' retrofit kits; they all suck.

Just cowboy up and get the R12. If you don't have the license, go through your mechanic. Might want to get any leaks checked/fixed before refilling, because it is fairly expensive as stated earlier.

R134a is designed to work in R134a designed systems; retrofits rarely work as the advertisements suggest.

The other problem with the retrofit kits is that once you use it, you've tainted your system.

 

i think im gonna do what my friend did and buy this stuff called duracool 12a that **** is frozen like ice... his a/c blows at 30 degrees all the time

 

im on the bandwagon too.. 134A sucks ***.. R12 will freezz your nutz off! im close to 30 in my EG and just had it serviced for the summer..

 

Just to clarify, R134a isn't any worse than R12 in terms of cooling capacity.

In a brand new car, the A/C is going to be just as cold as our 10+ year old cars with properly running systems.

R134a just blows ***** in an R12 system.

importboi22, where did you find this Duracool 12a stuff at? Is that an R12 additive, or is it just a brand of R12?

 

Those so called "safe replacements" are usually just Home A/C refrigerant.. like R22... or even worse... Propane......

anyways....I bought a 30lb of r12 for around $400...... i advertised on here that I could do fill ups for like $30 a pound.... but no1 wanted any..... oh well

 

yeah.. i also have a case.. 12 cans of 1 lb cans ea. of R12.. and no one around here wants it either.. lol

we're in the same boat bro!

 

r134a doesnt cool as well at the same pressure. I think you are supposed to mark it up about 30%? more psi from r12 if you retrofit. At least that was the concensus of nissan owners from when i owned a maxima. This is part of the reason why people dont recommend retrofitting, cuz it puts more stress on the a/c lines, clutch, etc. also (i am speculating here) i believe it moves the condenser out of its optimal efficiency range.

r134a isnt the only alternative, there are other products out there that work just as well if not better, you have to look around though.

I've done 2 r134a retrofittings and they both came out well. not ice cold like r12, but under the texas sun it still works well.

 

Ok - so what happens if you did the R134, but added an EG condensor and an EG compressor?

 

"r134a doesnt cool as well at the same pressure. I think you are supposed to mark it up about 30%? more psi from r12 if you retrofit. At least that was the concensus of nissan owners from when i owned a maxima. This is part of the reason why people dont recommend retrofitting, cuz it puts more stress on the a/c lines, clutch, etc. also (i am speculating here) i believe it moves the condenser out of its optimal efficiency range. "

If you flush your lines, change your drier, and replace the orings to r134a...your system will cool just fine pull a good vaccuum. IF you really want cool ac...replace your condenser with a parallel flowing condenser for better cooling. Converting to r134a will NOT stress your system or move it out of efficiency range. Check out the links below for more info.

http://www.acsource.com
http://www.aircondition.com

 

Also the molecules of 134a are smaller than those of r12. meaning that a/c lines designed for r12 can't hold 134a as effective as the r12. The hoses actually have pores that are small enough fro the 134a molecules to slowly escape through. That's why the reteo-fit kits require all new lines. And like tazmoe said, 134a runs at higher pressures so an old r12 compressor won't work as well.

 

duracool 12a
http://www.duracoolky.com/index.html

 

a quote from there site

"Equal to or Better Than Freon R-12 in Efficiency. Up to 35% More Efficient than R-134a. Contains a Patented Friction Fighting Additive. Extends Life to A/C & Refrigeration Equipment. Lower Head Pressures. Compatible With All Oils. 12a® Designed to Replace R-12 & R-134a. 22® & 502® Designed to Replace R-22 & R-502."

 

well i got my a/c down to about 44 degrees, we will see if it keeps up if not im gonna r12 it

 

44 feels like hot *** to me.. i gotta have it atleast around 35.. lol (i like my nips hard)

 

44 is better than 101 outside HAHA