any great benefits to buying a good componet set vs a couple speakers tweeters and crossover??

 

good component sets have components that are more balanced and designed to work together

 

component systems are the best. the mid-bass driver and the tweeter are designed to work together through the crossover.

 

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suppose i don't want mid bass in the doors?

 

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suppose i don't want mid bass in the doors? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well then put it in another spot, but generally the doors is the most logical spot and most midbasses are designed to be installed in an IB config - not a sealed or ported application - they are also designed for off-axis use - not on axis.

To answer your original question - a couple of tweeters will only reproduce a very narrow range of sound, where a component set is capable of reproducing much more of the audible spectrum...

And components aren't the best - fully active systems are the best A pain in the *** - but worth it none-the-less!!!

 

A component set is designed along with the crossovers to match each other and reproduce the frequencies that they were made for. Since everything is made to go with each other you don't have to worry about running into problems with getting the right mid to match your tweets and crossovers to make them play the appropriate frequencies that you desire. If you were to just get a random mid-tweet-crossover and hook them up they won't match nearly as well as the components because your frequency response was not designed with the others in mind. It can work, don't get me wrong, it's just not the easiest way to go.

Another thing to think about is speaker placement. You can put them in the doors, but if you really wanted the best sound quality the closer the mid and tweet are to each other the better. Building a kick panel by your feet facing more towards the center of the vehicle will give you better imaging and therefor a more natural sound. Hope this helps

rcurley55 is correct though...component are not the best but they aren't the worst either.

 

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Well then put it in another spot, but generally the doors is the most logical spot and most midbasses are designed to be installed in an IB config - not a sealed or ported application - they are also designed for off-axis use - not on axis.
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but doesnt every cone speaker have a significant rolloff in the upper range when installed in an off axis position?

 

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Well then put it in another spot, but generally the doors is the most logical spot and most midbasses are designed to be installed in an IB config - not a sealed or ported application - they are also designed for off-axis use - not on axis.

To answer your original question - a couple of tweeters will only reproduce a very narrow range of sound, where a component set is capable of reproducing much more of the audible spectrum...

And components aren't the best - fully active systems are the best A pain in the *** - but worth it none-the-less!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok but my mids are sealed in the door and if i have mid bass in the doors where would i get mids from? could i have voice speakers elsewhere?

isnt there component sets that have mid instead of mid bass? i want up front to be loud, and mid bass would be behind me somewhere

 

I think I answered this question before...you can buy/build kick panels to hold component speakers. This will allow you to either just have a mid-bass in the door or eliminate the door speakers all together. Here is a pic of what they look like. You can order these from many places like http://www.sounddomain.com

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integranation &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think I answered this question before...you can buy/build kick panels to hold component speakers. This will allow you to either just have a mid-bass in the door or eliminate the door speakers all together. Here is a pic of what they look like. You can order these from many places like http://www.sounddomain.com
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yeah but if i don't want midbass up front?

 

dude.... a mid-bass driver creates mid's.......

 

you need to distinguish the two - in a two way setup, then "mid" plays midrange and midbass - in a three way setup, the midrange plays midrange, and the midbass does midbass!

EBP_SI - I see what you are saying, but from a car audio perspective, manufacturers design their speakers to work well in door mounted applications - because that's where most end up. The opposite would be home audio speakers that are generally designed to be listened to on axis.

MBquart makes a mention of off-axis tweeter locations in their instruction manuals...

 

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oh ok, so your saying if i get a good 2 way component set ill have the loud mids i have right now with my eminence voice speakers?

i was thinking of putting the midbass drivers in the back, and keep the voice speakers in the front, ahh hell i dunno

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rcurley55 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you need to distinguish the two - in a two way setup, then "mid" plays midrange and midbass - in a three way setup, the midrange plays midrange, and the midbass does midbass!

EBP_SI - I see what you are saying, but from a car audio perspective, manufacturers design their speakers to work well in door mounted applications - because that's where most end up. The opposite would be home audio speakers that are generally designed to be listened to on axis.

MBquart makes a mention of off-axis tweeter locations in their instruction manuals...</TD></TR></TABLE>

i understand manufacturers trying to compensate for that where they can but isn't it still an inherent design characteristic with any speaker? dome tweeters aren't so picky with their angle because they have such a wide dispersion but most cone speakers that i've seen still have a faily narrow dispersion. I know the alpine type X components have several different filters in teh crossover to try and compensate for this but even with the filters set to 45° which is the max they still have a much more open sound if you lower your head so that its more on axis.

to answer the the your last question though you should keep the midbass up front. having it in the back would just sound wierd in my opinion. ideally you should keep everything up front but mounting a sub in the doors or in teh kicks isn't really an option for most people.

 

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oh ok, so your saying if i get a good 2 way component set ill have the loud mids i have right now with my eminence voice speakers?

i was thinking of putting the midbass drivers in the back, and keep the voice speakers in the front, ahh hell i dunno </TD></TR></TABLE>

do not put the mid-bass driver on the rear deck while the tweeters are upfront... that will sound like ****. just buy a set of component speakers and put them upfront. that will sound the best

 

ok, so i guess mid bass up front and mids in back?

 

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no, all up front...

 

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no, all up front...</TD></TR></TABLE>

uhh, i CANNOT fit 4 speakers in the frot of my jeep and i don't think i can get surround sound just up front

i live in jamaica remember, we are GHETTO

 

go with the infinity kappa perfect6.1 components im ordering those this summer for my civic

 

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uhh, i CANNOT fit 4 speakers in the frot of my jeep and i don't think i can get surround sound just up front

i live in jamaica remember, we are GHETTO </TD></TR></TABLE>

surround sound doesn't exist in car audio, unless you are listening to a 5.1 recording or a dolby pro-logic source....

you ask a question, I'll give you the right answer - what can I say!? dude your problem has been and always will be the same. You **** around with all these stupid (IMO) ideas and try to add all this gear when if you just focused on a decent plan and saved just a bit of cash you would be miles ahead - that's just my $0.02 I'm all for experimentation, but if you want your **** to work, devise a plan and stick to it!!