Gf's car goes into shop to have a pioneer deck installed. Not sure of the model but it's the premier with the face that slides down. I think the deck was around 350-375
Ok she has a pathfinder and they were saying that the stock deck in the car is better then the aftermarket pioneer???? How is that possible? I thought that most stock systems suck.
She didnt care what they were saying and said install the friggin thing anyway....


Am I mistaken thinking that a good aftermarket deck is way better than something that is stock????

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by loki2323 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gf's car goes into shop to have a pioneer deck installed.
Ok she has a pathfinder and they were saying that the stock deck in the car is better then the aftermarket pioneer???? How is that possible? I thought that most stock systems suck.
Am I mistaken thinking that a good aftermarket deck is way better than something that is stock????</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well you are leaving a lot out...like year and what type of OEM audio system.
Basically OEM systems have greatly improved...due to losses to the
aftermarket and customer surveys. Add to the fact that so many systems
are now integrated...ie amps,processors,xovers in the stock systems now,
that if you change the deck the results are not what you would expect.
On mid to high level oem systems the sound is night and day...just
changing the deck may not be enough...sometimes to get the results
you would expect from the new deck...you have to tear it down and
start from scratch....so the 375-400 deck installed now becomes a $3750-4200
system to get those results...

Make sense now..

 

Its a 2003 pathfinder LE

Comes with bose system that personally sounds like ****. The deck is one of them with a built in changer. I dont see how its better seeing how the tuning is the same as any other stock unit. Bass and treble go from -4 to +4 and really make no difference in tuning

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by loki2323 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its a 2003 pathfinder LE

Comes with bose system that personally sounds like ****. The deck is one of them with a built in changer. I dont see how its better seeing how the tuning is the same as any other stock unit. Bass and treble go from -4 to +4 and really make no difference in tuning</TD></TR></TABLE>

u must not know alot about bose.. and what kind are the factory speakers? if there bose.. then ur making a big mistake.. just buy a x over, and some other ish and tune that system.. bose is high end ****.. trust me..

not on the same subject but so u get an idea..

the bose waveradio.. just the radio, no cd player/tape player or anything.. runs about 350-400 bucks.. with cd player is alot more i know that..

just some food for thought

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ..::91TEG-G2::.. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

u must not know alot about bose.. and what kind are the factory speakers? if there bose.. then ur making a big mistake.. just buy a x over, and some other ish and tune that system.. bose is high end ****.. trust me..

not on the same subject but so u get an idea..

the bose waveradio.. just the radio, no cd player/tape player or anything.. runs about 350-400 bucks.. with cd player is alot more i know that..

just some food for thought</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're joking right?? bose is high end?? bose is ****

if you consider 350-400 for a radio high end oyu need a little more exposure to good products. a decent radio tuner for a home audio is at least $1000 and thats with no processor, speakers, or amp.

 

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u must not know alot about bose.. and what kind are the factory speakers? if there bose.. then ur making a big mistake.. just buy a x over, and some other ish and tune that system.. bose is high end ****.. trust me..

not on the same subject but so u get an idea..

the bose waveradio.. just the radio, no cd player/tape player or anything.. runs about 350-400 bucks.. with cd player is alot more i know that..

just some food for thought</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're joking right?? bose is high end?? bose is ****

 

bose is high end - hehehee

man, that was a good one....

the marketing team at bose sure would be proud of you - an overpriced product with a good infomercial and you are swinging from thier nuts....I've heard plenty of blose in my days - to be blut - it sucks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rcurley55 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bose is high end - hehehee

man, that was a good one....

the marketing team at bose sure would be proud of you - an overpriced product with a good infomercial and you are swinging from thier nuts....I've heard plenty of blose in my days - to be blut - it sucks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

" No highs...No lows...must be BOSE"

In fairness to the company...they have HELLA brand recognition
and market share. They do what they do and they do it well. As for the
oem systems...compared to a base audio system there is
a noticable sonic difference. If you don't want to do anything to the
vehuicle.....its ideal ( they sell thousands of cars weekly with it).

Now if you have a more cultured taste....they are plenty of options.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by audioroach &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
In fairness to the company...they have HELLA brand recognition
and market share. They do what they do and they do it well. As for the
oem systems...compared to a base audio system there is
a noticable sonic difference. If you don't want to do anything to the
vehuicle.....its ideal ( they sell thousands of cars weekly with it).

Now if you have a more cultured taste....they are plenty of options.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Like I said - great marketing team. But you are correct in some cases, they are the lesser of two evils. My dad has the Bose in his new G35 Coupe, but it's still not that great for what they make you pay - same goes for the shitty E36 and E46 H/K systems BMW has been pumping out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by audioroach &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
In fairness to the company...they have HELLA brand recognition
and market share. They do what they do and they do it well. As for the
oem systems...compared to a base audio system there is
a noticable sonic difference. If you don't want to do anything to the
vehuicle.....its ideal ( they sell thousands of cars weekly with it).

Now if you have a more cultured taste....they are plenty of options.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Like I said - great marketing team. But you are correct in some cases, they are the lesser of two evils. My dad has the Bose in his new G35 Coupe, but it's still not that great for what they make you pay - same goes for the shitty E36 and E46 H/K systems BMW has been pumping out.

 

I second the whole Bose is **** deal. The speakers are damn near the cheapest you'll find ever made. THEY SUCK. The ONLY thing bose has going for them, and the only thing you're really paying for even in home audio Bose systems, is not the speaker but the ENCLOSURE its self. The enclosure is what makes a bose home system, and it's the same thing that even allows the bose car systems to be "higher grade" than the normal factory car systems besides the name BOSE written on stuff. The stuff is crap. I hate the damn stuff, I hate how bose wires up their damn stuff. Personally I'd tell any one of you if you ever buy a new car, tell them you DO NOT want the "upgraded" sound system, save yourself the $700 on the factory deck, and buy a really nice aftermarket system.

Hell look at the XM units. Audi charges something like $700 for the receiver and an extra $135 for the mount... a whopping $835 for the whole setup. You can get the same damn thing from Alpine themselves for $250, and it's going to sound just as good if not better, and save you $585 to buy say new speakers and a 4 channel amp.

 

ok ok ok.. ur right.. i mean the bose system for cars.. well its basic, no REAL tuning involved when it comes to sound.. but i thought u were saying bose sucks.. there technology is great.. but more accoustic then anything..

so ya, ur right, there car audio section isnt that great.. but then i havnt known a good stock stereo in a vehicle to be great.. but i havent seen it all..

so my bad yall

 

i agree. bose is ****. i can't wait to install my JL amp. woohooo!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ..::91TEG-G2::.. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but i thought u were saying bose sucks.. there technology is great.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

No....all of bose sucks - home audio, car audio - all of it - it's crap.

 

Bose does make good stuff, but not for cars. You have to understand that the car companys put strict price limits on these systems, so they still have to use cheap materials like paper cones and foam surrounds. The install shop was bullshitting you. With a Bose system you typically have to bypass the factory amplifiers and the best way to do that is run speaker wire to each speaker from the deck. They probably didn't want to do it, so they told you the factory was better. They might be partially correct if you plan to run the factory speakers, though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rochesterricer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bose does make good stuff, but not for cars. </TD></TR></TABLE>

no....i think rcurley said best.....

all of bose sucks - home audio, car audio - all of it - it's crap.

i hate to be the one to break the news to you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rochesterricer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bose does make good stuff, but not for cars. You have to understand that the car companys put strict price limits on these systems, so they still have to use cheap materials like paper cones and foam surrounds. The install shop was bullshitting you. With a Bose system you typically have to bypass the factory amplifiers and the best way to do that is run speaker wire to each speaker from the deck. They probably didn't want to do it, so they told you the factory was better. They might be partially correct if you plan to run the factory speakers, though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually your wrong on this one...you still use the amps..you interface the audio
input. Why?....Many BOSE oem system run at very low impedance
...mostly 1 ohm loads...this is very bad for headunits.

Look my view on Bose is this...it works for what it does...small 4" drivers
producing great bass in ported enclosure/an acousticly tuned system for
that exact vehicle...It will do for some customers. If that csutomer is not
you...there are plenty of options

 

Yea you can use an amp integrator, but that usually sounds worse. The only bose speakers I ever removed said 8 ohms on the back, but that was a late 90's model GM. I never got a chance to see the newest ones before I got a different job. When we would give people a price estimate most of them said screw it. It amazes me how people will spend the extra money to buy a used vehicle with leather and a bose system, but wont pay an extra 60 bucks to install a cd player.

 

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Actually your wrong on this one...you still use the amps..you interface the audio
input. Why?....Many BOSE oem system run at very low impedance
...mostly 1 ohm loads...this is very bad for headunits.
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I think the NEWEST vehicle i have seen a 1 Ohm bose speaker in was something like a 92 or 93. They have since moved onto mostly 4 Ohm drivers.