Where do engines come from???
Hi everyone. This is my first post here. I'm 17 years old so I don't know anything, haha. anyways... I'm getting a LS engine swap soon into my EG. I'm getting my swap done at a local shop called Balance Performance. I'm getting my whole engine there and everything else i need done there. I was just wondering where does the engine come from? I know they get it from one of their distributors but then where do the distributors get it from? Basically... i just wanna know the ORIGIN of all these engines that are being put into hatchbacks. Because I think I used to know but then I forgot. And also... why are most of them all around 30,000 miles? I'm just really curious about this question i have.. thats all. Thanks for reading this post, and i would really appreciate it if u answered this question for me.
japan lol o and there all around 30 thousand cause every car over there is only aloud to put that many miles on the engines the they must remove or change them so i was told!!!!
JAPAN, imported usually to the west and then distributed, but if the shop doenst tell u where its from, it could be outa a junk yard in the states as well
...why do u care? is my question haha
...why do u care? is my question haha
Well, the daddy engine puts his thing inside the mommy engine and..................
LOL
(shamefully) I just couldn't resist
LOL
(shamefully) I just couldn't resist
Thanks for replying... but you guys really didn't help me much, haha! Just being honest. I know its from Japan... but where in Japan? Is there just some big warehouse where all these B-series engines are sitting around ready for shipping to the US? And why all around 30k miles? Where do all these engines keep coming from in japan? I don't get it.
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pretty much people go around to junkyards and pull motors then send them to the states makin a shitload of money. doubt the companies are more than 2-3 man operations. most shops goto somewhat local junkyards themselfves with a pickup and pull it for u. otherwise some1 before u had an ls and wanted to upgrade to a vtec motor so they took it for a couple hundred bucks off. also chances are most of the motors from japan are stolen. think bout it u steal a car a week, gut it and sell it to the states. people want the exterior for the lil differances like side markers, the engines snice they are good for swapping, the interior just because theirs is shot, and the lights cuz they dont have reflectors and whatnot.
As much as this is a lame answer.
SEARCH. !!
This has been covered many times before.
The answer is more complicated than can be expained here.
Make sure you search in ARCHIVED topics.
The over simplified answer is, it has to do with Japans' automobile AND insurance laws, and the economics of scale. Vs.the US import laws.
It is easier and more lucrative for the Japanese citizen to sell thier JDM cars and engines to junkyards and exporters for shiplment to foriegn countries than keep them in Japan.
SEARCH. !!
This has been covered many times before.
The answer is more complicated than can be expained here.
Make sure you search in ARCHIVED topics.
The over simplified answer is, it has to do with Japans' automobile AND insurance laws, and the economics of scale. Vs.the US import laws.
It is easier and more lucrative for the Japanese citizen to sell thier JDM cars and engines to junkyards and exporters for shiplment to foriegn countries than keep them in Japan.
lol,your Ls is from the states.but yes, the motors come from warehouses all over japan that looks like a junkyard.every 30k-35k the car need to be inspec but cost to much to fix. so, they replace it with a a new one.then they ship it out here for us states racer to buy and make more ying or yang!!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4crx4me »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, the daddy engine puts his thing inside the mommy engine and..................
LOL
(shamefully) I just couldn't resist
</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol.. i was thinking the same thing...
ok ok.. but for real... who is gonna give him the "talk" ? ... he's 17. it'll be ok.. we have to let go sometime...
LOL
(shamefully) I just couldn't resist
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol.. i was thinking the same thing...
ok ok.. but for real... who is gonna give him the "talk" ? ... he's 17. it'll be ok.. we have to let go sometime...
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lol.. i was thinking the same thing...
ok ok.. but for real... who is gonna give him the "talk" ? ... he's 17. it'll be ok.. we have to let go sometime...
</TD></TR></TABLE>
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
lmao
lol.. i was thinking the same thing...
ok ok.. but for real... who is gonna give him the "talk" ? ... he's 17. it'll be ok.. we have to let go sometime...
</TD></TR></TABLE>nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
lmao
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lysawy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">30k on jdm motors hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
ya sure more like 90k-120 all they do is check if the engine is turning and thats it ... good to go..... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea seriously there is no way to tell unless you get a front clip or you can try and check the clutch/pressure plate to see if it is worn, but then there is a chance it could have been replaced.
Also if you want to know how hard the motor had been ran (still an estimate), simply look at the tb, where the throttle peice hits the peice on tb. If it is all marked up, then the car has been floored alot
ya sure more like 90k-120 all they do is check if the engine is turning and thats it ... good to go..... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea seriously there is no way to tell unless you get a front clip or you can try and check the clutch/pressure plate to see if it is worn, but then there is a chance it could have been replaced.
Also if you want to know how hard the motor had been ran (still an estimate), simply look at the tb, where the throttle peice hits the peice on tb. If it is all marked up, then the car has been floored alot
They sell the motors because of their MOT, test after 3years theirs is caled a shaken and it costs appx £1200 per year after that to have this mega intricate test.
on cars over 3yrs old the insurance is much more expensive and the dealerships offer tradeups andsel theold cars abroad..
Heressome info taken from Torque-Imports.co.uk
on cars over 3yrs old the insurance is much more expensive and the dealerships offer tradeups andsel theold cars abroad..
Heressome info taken from Torque-Imports.co.uk
Originally Posted by [url
www.torque-imports.co.uk[/url]]Why are cars from Japan such good value?
Japanese cars can be around 30-50% cheaper to buy new in Japan, than in the UK.
When a vehicle is first registered in Japan, it comes with a 3 year Shaken. This is the equivalent to the British MOT. When it expires, the vehicle must be re-tested. This is the most stringent test of this type in the world. The cost for this retest is around £1250. Further re-tests are required every two years and usually cost more. Sometimes as much as £2000. There are Japanese dealer incentives offering excellent deals to encourage consumers to always trade up for a new car.
As a result, Japanese consumers buy new cars on a regular basis. (8 million new units per annum in Japan. 2 million in the UK). Used car values depreciate rapidly in Japan. Also, due to the high expense of driving long distances in Japan, cars only tend to cover very low mileages per annum.
All of the above points amalgamate to make quality Japanese cars very attractive for export.
There are many myths that exist about Japanese imports, designed to intimidate the average car owner and keep their custom for more expensive, lesser UK spec cars. Most of those myths are false. Don't believe the hype.
Myth: A Japanese import is identical to a UK vehicle.
Fact: The number plate sizes are different and the specification is always better than for UK vehicles. The cars are made in the same factory whether for UK or Japanese markets, so parts are the same. The only difference is in the way cars reach our roads. (Should you import an exclusive car not officially sold in the UK through Torque Imports and find you need parts not available, we can arrange to have these shipped direct from Japan usually within 1 week).
Myth: It isn't possible to insure Japanese imports.
Fact: Just by looking at the rapidly increasing number of Japanese imports on UK roads there is plenty of evidence to show the contrary. Many UK insurers will only be too happy to insure imports. We recommend Osbourne & Sons, but there are other specialists who regularly advertise in UK publications such as Japanese Performance Magazine.
Myth: It is difficult to get Japanese cars through our MOT system or SVA.
Fact: To get a Jap Import over 3 years old through an MOT only a fog-light is required.
For all cars we import, as part of the OTR cost - We fit a UK Specification fog-light with quality switch and loom. In addition we also fit a quality radio waveband expander, MPH speedometer and Euro Spec Fuel filler-neck restrictor. Where the car is a high performance model, it is also de-restricted.
We deal with all SVA requirements & testing for cars we supply, and have a 100% success rate.
As for rust on Japanese Imports - It's largely non existent. 10 year old cars usually have original exhausts fitted, which aren't even rusty! In Japan, no salt is used on the majority of roads during winter.
So when you are offered a car described as "UK car", lookout for higher mileage, rust beginning to appear, and low specification.
Myth: There are a lot of stolen imports from Japan.
Fact: There are various safeguards in place since Jan 2000 to ensure cars cannot be stolen from Japan and imported to UK:
(1) All cars sourced through "member only" auctions in Japan must be supplied with genuine Japanese documentation - If such documentation is not with the auction at the time of intended sale - the intended sale is cancelled.
(2) Cars cannot be exported from Japan without proper de-registration with the registration authorities - customs will simply not allow it.
(3) When cars are to be exported, Japanese Customs insist on having the original deregistration, as part of customs clearance procedure. Each dereg. Document is inspected and an official stamp of approval placed on the back of each dereg. document before a car is allowed to depart from Japan.
(4) All UK DVLA registrations for Imports go through INTERPOL (International Police). This means all identities are re-checked & verified with the Japanese Authorities, before UK registration is granted.
(5) The fact that imports from Japan are never fitted with Alarms or other security devices serves to illustrate that in Japan, car theft is virtually non existent.
The above safeguards ensure no stolen cars can be imported to the UK from Japan. These systems has been in place since Jan 2000 for all imports to UK. Prior to Jan 2000, a small minority of between 1,000-1,500 NEW high value cars (Landcruisers, GTR R34's, etc) were exported from Japan to Dubai & Cyprus where their identities were changed & cars received false documentation before being shipped to UK and other countries for registration. The vast majority of these cars which were registered in England have now been recovered by the Police in the UK.
The recent scaremongering by Quentin Wilson's Watchdog report on the biggest car fraud in the world was funded by Official Importers and Manufacturers. It was designed to damage the Grey import market's credibility.
It didn't have the desired effect, because it was grossly exaggerated and therefore not credible. Judging by reports and unhindered growth in the import business, most UK TV viewers didn't believe the hype and Quentin Wilson's reputation only suffered further - Some of you may be aware Mr. Wilson has been successfully prosecuted twice in the UK for illegally clocking mileages on cars, though it's surprising he's still got a career in doing what he does.
Importers in the UK buying directly from Japan are aware there is absolutely no danger in buying imports through auctions / Japanese export companies - as far as the theft issue is concerned, because they have experienced importing cars themselves & are therefore aware of these safeguards.
Although it would have required a large amount of capital to successfully prosecute the media, in response - BIMTA has recently introduced a scheme where for £70 they will provide a certificate certifying an imported car is bona fide & Lloyds of London in turn guarantees this declaration to the full value of the car. This is for any imported car - supplied through a BIMTA registered supplier. For a dealer to become a BIMTA registered member, it costs £1,000 a year. For further information on the BIMTA certificate of authenticity, please visit: http://www.bimta.com/certificate.htm
Q: Why would BIMTA and Lloyds provide such a guarantee, indiscriminately where the vehicle is concerned - if they couldn't be sure grey imports from Japan are completely safe?
A: See above.
Stolen imports are a thing of the past in the UK due to the safeguards in place since 2000.
Japanese cars can be around 30-50% cheaper to buy new in Japan, than in the UK.
When a vehicle is first registered in Japan, it comes with a 3 year Shaken. This is the equivalent to the British MOT. When it expires, the vehicle must be re-tested. This is the most stringent test of this type in the world. The cost for this retest is around £1250. Further re-tests are required every two years and usually cost more. Sometimes as much as £2000. There are Japanese dealer incentives offering excellent deals to encourage consumers to always trade up for a new car.
As a result, Japanese consumers buy new cars on a regular basis. (8 million new units per annum in Japan. 2 million in the UK). Used car values depreciate rapidly in Japan. Also, due to the high expense of driving long distances in Japan, cars only tend to cover very low mileages per annum.
All of the above points amalgamate to make quality Japanese cars very attractive for export.
There are many myths that exist about Japanese imports, designed to intimidate the average car owner and keep their custom for more expensive, lesser UK spec cars. Most of those myths are false. Don't believe the hype.
Myth: A Japanese import is identical to a UK vehicle.
Fact: The number plate sizes are different and the specification is always better than for UK vehicles. The cars are made in the same factory whether for UK or Japanese markets, so parts are the same. The only difference is in the way cars reach our roads. (Should you import an exclusive car not officially sold in the UK through Torque Imports and find you need parts not available, we can arrange to have these shipped direct from Japan usually within 1 week).
Myth: It isn't possible to insure Japanese imports.
Fact: Just by looking at the rapidly increasing number of Japanese imports on UK roads there is plenty of evidence to show the contrary. Many UK insurers will only be too happy to insure imports. We recommend Osbourne & Sons, but there are other specialists who regularly advertise in UK publications such as Japanese Performance Magazine.
Myth: It is difficult to get Japanese cars through our MOT system or SVA.
Fact: To get a Jap Import over 3 years old through an MOT only a fog-light is required.
For all cars we import, as part of the OTR cost - We fit a UK Specification fog-light with quality switch and loom. In addition we also fit a quality radio waveband expander, MPH speedometer and Euro Spec Fuel filler-neck restrictor. Where the car is a high performance model, it is also de-restricted.
We deal with all SVA requirements & testing for cars we supply, and have a 100% success rate.
As for rust on Japanese Imports - It's largely non existent. 10 year old cars usually have original exhausts fitted, which aren't even rusty! In Japan, no salt is used on the majority of roads during winter.
So when you are offered a car described as "UK car", lookout for higher mileage, rust beginning to appear, and low specification.
Myth: There are a lot of stolen imports from Japan.
Fact: There are various safeguards in place since Jan 2000 to ensure cars cannot be stolen from Japan and imported to UK:
(1) All cars sourced through "member only" auctions in Japan must be supplied with genuine Japanese documentation - If such documentation is not with the auction at the time of intended sale - the intended sale is cancelled.
(2) Cars cannot be exported from Japan without proper de-registration with the registration authorities - customs will simply not allow it.
(3) When cars are to be exported, Japanese Customs insist on having the original deregistration, as part of customs clearance procedure. Each dereg. Document is inspected and an official stamp of approval placed on the back of each dereg. document before a car is allowed to depart from Japan.
(4) All UK DVLA registrations for Imports go through INTERPOL (International Police). This means all identities are re-checked & verified with the Japanese Authorities, before UK registration is granted.
(5) The fact that imports from Japan are never fitted with Alarms or other security devices serves to illustrate that in Japan, car theft is virtually non existent.
The above safeguards ensure no stolen cars can be imported to the UK from Japan. These systems has been in place since Jan 2000 for all imports to UK. Prior to Jan 2000, a small minority of between 1,000-1,500 NEW high value cars (Landcruisers, GTR R34's, etc) were exported from Japan to Dubai & Cyprus where their identities were changed & cars received false documentation before being shipped to UK and other countries for registration. The vast majority of these cars which were registered in England have now been recovered by the Police in the UK.
The recent scaremongering by Quentin Wilson's Watchdog report on the biggest car fraud in the world was funded by Official Importers and Manufacturers. It was designed to damage the Grey import market's credibility.
It didn't have the desired effect, because it was grossly exaggerated and therefore not credible. Judging by reports and unhindered growth in the import business, most UK TV viewers didn't believe the hype and Quentin Wilson's reputation only suffered further - Some of you may be aware Mr. Wilson has been successfully prosecuted twice in the UK for illegally clocking mileages on cars, though it's surprising he's still got a career in doing what he does.
Importers in the UK buying directly from Japan are aware there is absolutely no danger in buying imports through auctions / Japanese export companies - as far as the theft issue is concerned, because they have experienced importing cars themselves & are therefore aware of these safeguards.
Although it would have required a large amount of capital to successfully prosecute the media, in response - BIMTA has recently introduced a scheme where for £70 they will provide a certificate certifying an imported car is bona fide & Lloyds of London in turn guarantees this declaration to the full value of the car. This is for any imported car - supplied through a BIMTA registered supplier. For a dealer to become a BIMTA registered member, it costs £1,000 a year. For further information on the BIMTA certificate of authenticity, please visit: http://www.bimta.com/certificate.htm
Q: Why would BIMTA and Lloyds provide such a guarantee, indiscriminately where the vehicle is concerned - if they couldn't be sure grey imports from Japan are completely safe?
A: See above.
Stolen imports are a thing of the past in the UK due to the safeguards in place since 2000.
It shuld give you a geral idea about the cars but as for the engines, there are auctions that sell smashedup cars as category zeroand ppl buy them and keep the parts they want then get rid of the rest.
As for the milage, you rarely see a japanese car with over 80,000miles. They sell them abroadbefore that.
As for the milage, you rarely see a japanese car with over 80,000miles. They sell them abroadbefore that.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ilovemixedrice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where do engines come from???</TD></TR></TABLE>
you put a couple G's under your pillow at night
and when you fall asleep at night, the engine fairy comes, and takes the money , and leaves you a B16
you put a couple G's under your pillow at night
and when you fall asleep at night, the engine fairy comes, and takes the money , and leaves you a B16
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OTT »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It shuld give you a geral idea about the cars but as for the engines, there are auctions that sell smashedup cars as category zeroand ppl buy them and keep the parts they want then get rid of the rest.
As for the milage, you rarely see a japanese car with over 80,000miles. They sell them abroadbefore that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Most of the points OTT has made above, I have read in other places..
They seem to be more true for the UK and most of Europe, than the US, though.
However, in regards as to "low mileage JDM engines". We must remember that, even though the actual miles/Km MAY be low, by our standards. The average Japanese car owner IS aware of the the rules governing used vechicles in Japan.
And will not usually go out of thier way to maintain or "baby" a car that they know they will be getting rid of in three years. That is simply human nature.
And as to the point of the US getting only JDM engines as oppossed to whole vehicles, it has more to do with US import laws and tariffs and saftey regulations and less to do with Japanese insurance laws, inpection laws and export laws.
And the "ouality and/or quantity of JDM vehicles".
As for the milage, you rarely see a japanese car with over 80,000miles. They sell them abroadbefore that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Most of the points OTT has made above, I have read in other places..
They seem to be more true for the UK and most of Europe, than the US, though.However, in regards as to "low mileage JDM engines". We must remember that, even though the actual miles/Km MAY be low, by our standards. The average Japanese car owner IS aware of the the rules governing used vechicles in Japan.
And will not usually go out of thier way to maintain or "baby" a car that they know they will be getting rid of in three years. That is simply human nature.
And as to the point of the US getting only JDM engines as oppossed to whole vehicles, it has more to do with US import laws and tariffs and saftey regulations and less to do with Japanese insurance laws, inpection laws and export laws.
And the "ouality and/or quantity of JDM vehicles".
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