I'm sure just about everyone here has heard this but here's my problem. First let me just say that out of all the Hondas ever built, my favorite has been the 92-95 Civic SI. I get a little weak in the knees every time I see a very nice and clean one. So, I currently have a 1989 ITA CRX SI, for which I take great pride in saying that it is probably one of the cleanest ITA cars out there. I haven't even found another CRX with a better built cage than mine. The CRX is sitting in the garage but not too far from it, I have a totally stock 92 SI in my driveway. So, should I start to build the Civic SI into a ITA car and hope that it will be just as good if not better than my ITA CRX. Or, should I just keep it as a nice street car. Now, I love the looks but I would hate to build the Civic and not be as competitive as I'm in the CRX.

Thanks in advance for all the help. Also, I would love to see some dyno charts torque/hp the motor in the 92-95 line.

 

Keep the Civic on the street. My 92 Si has 175,000 miles and I am planning on seeing 200k with it. Of course I am going to convert my 95 Neon SSC racer to ITA if and when the new IT rules ever get passed!

 

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I was this close (holding up two fingers, um...really close together) to buying a 95 CX for ITC for the same reason. I ended up with the rex as well, but I always wonder "what if."

Anyway, isn't the 92 Civic Si an ITS car?

 

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it's being moved to ITA for 2005. &lt;- this is incorrect information. please ignore. see post further down in thread.i say go for it, but only because i want to see what an IT legal d16z6 can make for power. my under-prepped STS legal motor with 214k on the clock makes 110hp/95tq. Lyonel's motor makes 117hp or so, but i don't know if he is still driving the p/s pump.

nate


Modified by solo-x at 7:53 AM 4/15/2004

 

I'm actually in the process of building a d16z6 for an ITA '95 CivEX. Seems like it's a solid motor to work with, so far. At 160k, it seems to have run it's alter-ego/Clark Kent life without a hiccup. As soon as I get it out of the phone booth, I'll try to post numbers.

 

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it's being moved to ITA for 2005. ...

nate</TD></TR></TABLE>

Who submitted the request? I don't remember seeing it in FasTrack yet although I know a couple people have been planning to take care of this.

K

 

I keep looking at the fields in Honda Challenge to try form a comparison but with only a handfull of cars all being different, it's hard to judge. So, I find myself in this dilema. Now, my pockets are not full of money, so that's a consideration too. Already built and competative car versus a what if car? Hum....

Kirk,
I think I remember someone from one of our previous topics put the request in for it to be moved to ITA too.

 

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Who submitted the request? I don't remember seeing it in FasTrack yet although I know a couple people have been planning to take care of this.

K</TD></TR></TABLE>

I submitted a request for the 94-95 Civic Si Hatch to be moved, but have not heard a ruling yet, and have since moved on to a different car. I still want to work on getting those cars reclassed where they belong, though, even though I will be fielding one (95 CivEX) that has already been approved for the move to ITA.

 

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Who submitted the request? I don't remember seeing it in FasTrack yet although I know a couple people have been planning to take care of this.

K</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think i'm thinking the wrong year. i'll have to dig up the fastrack and see if i can find it again.

correct me if i'm wrong, but once the 5th gen cars that are currently classed in ITS are re-classed to ITA (as proposed for the 05 season), adding the rest of the years shouldn't be too hard, right?

nate


*edit* my mistake. the 94-95 Civic Ex is the one proposed to move. NOT the hatchback or any other 92-93 5th gen sohc vtec.


Modified by solo-x at 7:51 AM 4/15/2004

 

In theory, yes. It will take getting the SCCA Classification board to understand that they are all, basically, the same car. That will be pretty much the only argument for reclassing them in ITA. As Kirk has pointed out in the past, reclassing for non-competetiveness is a very hard fought battle, which usually involves the SCCA expecting you to run a well prepared car and come up with significant proof (no DNF's, mechanical failures, DQ's, etc.) that the car really isn't competetive in its current class. Try proving that if you are not the best driver.

The cars will need to be requested each, per line. You cannot ask for a bulk, multi-line reclassification of multiple cars, even though all of those cars are basically the same. The Board doesn't see it that way, and would probably reject the request just based on that principle. Each car, line by line (even if the same car is split over two lines with differing years, same model and trim) will need a separate request for it to be moved to ITA, based on the fact that several other years of those cars are, or are in the process of, being moved from ITS.

The truth is, those requests need to be put in now. If we wait until 05 to submit, they will not be eligible until 06.

edit: added last line

 

So, can someone give me info on how to officially request the reclassification of the 92-95 Civic SI. Point of Contact, request format, etc.

 

Richy-

This thread at IT.com might just help...

http://forum.improvedtouring.c....html

 

Just sent my request for reclassing the 1992-1994 Honda Civic SI from ITS into ITA.

Darren,
Thanks for you help!

 

It MIGHT be that reclassification will get easier shortly but did you check to be sure that the years/models you were asking to move were (a) actually already listed in S, and (b) correct in their listed specs? It sucks that there's no really organized system in place on this front so we have to thrash around a little to get things chagned...

K

 

Actually, Kirk, I did make sure that the cars Richy (ITACRX) are the same and correct when I was investigating my 94-95 Si move to ITA request. The 2 glaring errors in the ITCS currently are that the 94-95 Si line actually says 94-96; the 96 Civic Hatch was a different model/engine/etc., and they didn't make an Si from 96 through 98. The second being that the 92-94 and 94-95(96 sic) Civic Si are split into two different lines, with both being the same car/same specs.

Good Luck, Richy. I'll keep my eye in Fastrack for updates.

 

Kirk,
Just as Darren said, I requested the 92-94 Model to be reclass. Hopefully, after both the 92-94 and the 94-96 are in ITA, then we can request the specs to say 92-95 along with some engine valve size inconsistencies. We'll see what happens.

By the way, is there a reason why the EX is listed 25 lighter? 2330 vs 2305.

 

Glad you guys are helping to get this mess fixed. The spec weight is determined by the comp board (with the input of the IT ad hoc committee now?) so I have no idea why the weights are different.

Historically, they were supposed to be based on the curb weight of the car, then at some point a fakey, secret formula was theoretically used. Then not. Now, if the performance compensation adjustment thing goes through, the weight will be diddled to adjust potential competitiveness but there won't be a published formula.

Lots of great conversations on this point - if you have all day - over at it.com.

K

 

Just got a reply stating my request has been forwarded to the "Club Racing Board". Let's hope.

 

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cool. i had just asked this over on improvedtouring.com cause I had no idea what was in the works for the Si's. Does anyone know if there is any chance the Si will be in ITA for '05? Or is that a pipe dream?

s

 

That's the idea.

 

I second that!