b18c1 bare long black same as b18c5? jdm b18c?
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (mrmakkk)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrmakkk »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can someone help me out here?
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B18C1 , B18C5, B18C
all have differences, otherwise why would they be labeled differently??
duh
thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>
B18C1 , B18C5, B18C
all have differences, otherwise why would they be labeled differently??
duh
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (Dan GSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dan GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
B18C1 , B18C5, B18C
all have differences, otherwise why would they be labeled differently??
duh</TD></TR></TABLE>
B18C1 , B18C5, B18C
all have differences, otherwise why would they be labeled differently??
duh</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (Dan GSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dan GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
B18C1 , B18C5, B18C
all have differences, otherwise why would they be labeled differently??
duh</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually your are wrong the two blocks b18c1/b18c5 with no internals are the same. Go to http://www.c-speedracing.com and look at the compression calculator, look at the block selection section and it will read b18c1/c5, because they are the same block just different internals i.e.-rods, pistons, crank, and the fact that the R block internals are hand assembled. It wouldn't be cost effective for Honda to make two separate blocks of the same displacement, and Honda obiviously doesn't make the R block from hand, so they have to start somewhere. And that somewhere is with the bare block b18c. As far as block stamps go they are there just to tell us which is the R motor from honda vs the mass produced b18c1 motor from honda. But physically the blocks are the same w/out internals involved.
B18C1 , B18C5, B18C
all have differences, otherwise why would they be labeled differently??
duh</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually your are wrong the two blocks b18c1/b18c5 with no internals are the same. Go to http://www.c-speedracing.com and look at the compression calculator, look at the block selection section and it will read b18c1/c5, because they are the same block just different internals i.e.-rods, pistons, crank, and the fact that the R block internals are hand assembled. It wouldn't be cost effective for Honda to make two separate blocks of the same displacement, and Honda obiviously doesn't make the R block from hand, so they have to start somewhere. And that somewhere is with the bare block b18c. As far as block stamps go they are there just to tell us which is the R motor from honda vs the mass produced b18c1 motor from honda. But physically the blocks are the same w/out internals involved.
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (turboxsi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboxsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually your are wrong </TD></TR></TABLE>
no, i think acutally your wrong
cuz he asked about the long block
long block includes everything from oil pan to valve cover
Actually your are wrong </TD></TR></TABLE>
no, i think acutally your wrong
cuz he asked about the long block
long block includes everything from oil pan to valve cover
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (turboxsi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboxsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually your are wrong the two blocks b18c1/b18c5 with no internals are the same. Go to http://www.c-speedracing.com and look at the compression calculator, look at the block selection section and it will read b18c1/c5, because they are the same block just different internals i.e.-rods, pistons, crank, and the fact that the R block internals are hand assembled. It wouldn't be cost effective for Honda to make two separate blocks of the same displacement, and Honda obiviously doesn't make the R block from hand, so they have to start somewhere. And that somewhere is with the bare block b18c. As far as block stamps go they are there just to tell us which is the R motor from honda vs the mass produced b18c1 motor from honda. But physically the blocks are the same w/out internals involved.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks, that was the answer i was looking for.
Actually your are wrong the two blocks b18c1/b18c5 with no internals are the same. Go to http://www.c-speedracing.com and look at the compression calculator, look at the block selection section and it will read b18c1/c5, because they are the same block just different internals i.e.-rods, pistons, crank, and the fact that the R block internals are hand assembled. It wouldn't be cost effective for Honda to make two separate blocks of the same displacement, and Honda obiviously doesn't make the R block from hand, so they have to start somewhere. And that somewhere is with the bare block b18c. As far as block stamps go they are there just to tell us which is the R motor from honda vs the mass produced b18c1 motor from honda. But physically the blocks are the same w/out internals involved.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks, that was the answer i was looking for.
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (mrmakkk)
i dont know of any differences between the blocks they seem like they'd be the same cast, but i dont really get into things i can't change.... ofcourse the gsr and itr heads are very different.... as internals go.... both have the 3.433 crank and the 5.429 rods w/ 81mm bore pistons, just different domes between the two....
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (Dan GSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dan GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
no, i think acutally your wrong
cuz he asked about the long block
long block includes everything from oil pan to valve cover
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Ok Im not wrong in what I said, I just didn't notice that he wanted to know about the long block, so I just explained the short block. All I did was explain that the block casting of the two motors are the same, but didn't say a thing about the head casting being the same (pr3 vs p72) b/c I honestly didn't see he wanted to know about the long block (didn't read it to throughly). But you are correct when it comes to the long block there are alot of differences between the two (the major difference, of course, is the head and bottom end internals). But it ended up he just needed to know about the blocks, so thats all that matters is that he got what he needed to know.
P.S-JDM B18c is just the same as the USDM except for the compression ratio(different pistons p-72-AO USDM b18c ; p-72-00 JDM b18c) Just like the USDM b18c5 pistons differ from the JDM b18c5 (different pistons again: p-73-A0 USDM; p-73-00 JDM). But all these blocks c/c5 with <U>no</U> internals (pistons, crank, rods) are the same.
no, i think acutally your wrong
cuz he asked about the long block
long block includes everything from oil pan to valve cover
</TD></TR></TABLE>Ok Im not wrong in what I said, I just didn't notice that he wanted to know about the long block, so I just explained the short block. All I did was explain that the block casting of the two motors are the same, but didn't say a thing about the head casting being the same (pr3 vs p72) b/c I honestly didn't see he wanted to know about the long block (didn't read it to throughly). But you are correct when it comes to the long block there are alot of differences between the two (the major difference, of course, is the head and bottom end internals). But it ended up he just needed to know about the blocks, so thats all that matters is that he got what he needed to know.
P.S-JDM B18c is just the same as the USDM except for the compression ratio(different pistons p-72-AO USDM b18c ; p-72-00 JDM b18c) Just like the USDM b18c5 pistons differ from the JDM b18c5 (different pistons again: p-73-A0 USDM; p-73-00 JDM). But all these blocks c/c5 with <U>no</U> internals (pistons, crank, rods) are the same.
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (turboxsi)
yes the bare blocks are the same casting
gsr and itr cranks are different
gsr and itr rods are different
gsr and itr pistons are different
gsr and itr cranks are different
gsr and itr rods are different
gsr and itr pistons are different
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (Dan GSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dan GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes the bare blocks are the same casting
gsr and itr cranks are different
gsr and itr rods are different
gsr and itr pistons are different</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's what I've been saying all along!
gsr and itr cranks are different
gsr and itr rods are different
gsr and itr pistons are different</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's what I've been saying all along!
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Re: b18c1 bare long block same as b18c5? jdm b18c? (lkshs123)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lkshs123 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what stops people from just getting a gsr long block and turning it into a built engine: eagle rods/ forged pistons ect, and putting a type R head on it? </TD></TR></TABLE>
nothing
in fact there is a name for gsr bottom, and b16 head= poor mans type r
nothing
in fact there is a name for gsr bottom, and b16 head= poor mans type r
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The B18C, B18C1, B18C3, B18C5, B18C6, B16B, and I'm sure some other odd variant that you never hear about, all use the P72 block. There are all sorts of different internals, but the block is the same.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kendall »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The B18C, B18C1, B18C3, B18C5, B18C6, B16B, and I'm sure some other odd variant that you never hear about, all use the P72 block. There are all sorts of different internals, but the block is the same.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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